I'm firmly on team "Patriarchy hurts men too", but honestly it's *incredibly* unsurprising that when you say that a lot of men who have struggled to fit in look for the dagger you're hiding behind your back while you're saying that.
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Also, honestly, some of this is intrinsic in the theory and is not just its misapplication. The theory could and should be extended rather than abandoned, but the problems really are there right in its core.
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I talked about The Scott Aaronson Incident in https://twitter.com/GeniesLoki/status/1316123830721671169 … Honestly I didn't care about 95% of the backlash it was very business as normal the response that enraged me the most was the supposedly empathetic one.
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GeniesLoki @GeniesLokiReplying to @GeniesLoki @Kirsten3531I think in this particular circle everyone remembers the Scott Aaronson internet in which everyone took guys being kinda sad about their difficulties dating, for reasons that were widely shared in their peer group, as evidence of toxic male entitlement. We didn't like that much.1 reply 0 retweets 6 likesShow this thread -
"I'm sorry you're hurting but that's not the same as structural oppression" is a hell of a thing to say to a group of people who share a common set of traits that cause them to be systematically shunned and demonised because they've not learned to cope with things society demands
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Feminism really does have a problem with systematically rejecting the places where the theory naturally could and should be extended to men, and the way it treats groups like this who have male-coded problems (and are also majority but not exclusively men) really brings it out.
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If you don't believe me try saying "female privilege" to your average feminist and see how they react. Privilege is a really useful framework for looking at a bunch of problems that men face that women don't. It's perfectly possible for both male and female privilege to exist.
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Replying to @GeniesLoki
"female privilege" to trans men is more like... "structural oppression" again oops Infantilization is not privilege
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Replying to @owenfuckem
Cannot tell whether agreeing or disagreeing. Could you unpack?
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It's super tangential to what you were saying. I agree and disagree? Infantilization meaning-- people doing things for you because they think you're too weak to do them is a good example. A lot of other men I know call that a "privilege" but it's fucking condescending to me.
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Replying to @owenfuckem @GeniesLoki
I'm sure you'll be able to find some examples of female privilege that don't fall into this category.
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Some go to examples for me: * Hetero dating norms around "men approach women" * Men are typically very touched starve * Safety in expressing emotions (especially ones that will be perceived as scary)
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Replying to @GeniesLoki
Counterpoints *These same hetero dating norms are based on assumptions like "women don't make the kind of money needed to cover a date," and many are the product of capitalism *none *Women are not "allowed" to express "male emotions" like anger in this social paradigm either
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* I don't think this is a counterpoint? Yes, problems exist for reasons. Although I also don't think I agree with this as the reason (I've heard this a lot and it never reverses when the woman makes more money than the man) * OK * Very context-dependent, but often false!
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