This also ties in with what I was explaining in https://twitter.com/GeniesLoki/status/1316118376251621376 … People who have been through this sort of process are often going to be sensitive to the kind of language that was used against them.
-
Show this thread
-
The way a lot of SJ talks about people's imperfect strategies is very much a tone of "If I were you, I simply wouldn't have these problems in the first place". It's precisely the request to go away and die quietly.
1 reply 1 retweet 21 likesShow this thread -
I'm firmly on team "Patriarchy hurts men too", but honestly it's *incredibly* unsurprising that when you say that a lot of men who have struggled to fit in look for the dagger you're hiding behind your back while you're saying that.
1 reply 0 retweets 20 likesShow this thread -
Also, honestly, some of this is intrinsic in the theory and is not just its misapplication. The theory could and should be extended rather than abandoned, but the problems really are there right in its core.
1 reply 0 retweets 7 likesShow this thread -
GeniesLoki Retweeted GeniesLoki
I talked about The Scott Aaronson Incident in https://twitter.com/GeniesLoki/status/1316123830721671169 … Honestly I didn't care about 95% of the backlash it was very business as normal the response that enraged me the most was the supposedly empathetic one.
GeniesLoki added,
GeniesLoki @GeniesLokiReplying to @GeniesLoki @Kirsten3531I think in this particular circle everyone remembers the Scott Aaronson internet in which everyone took guys being kinda sad about their difficulties dating, for reasons that were widely shared in their peer group, as evidence of toxic male entitlement. We didn't like that much.1 reply 0 retweets 6 likesShow this thread -
"I'm sorry you're hurting but that's not the same as structural oppression" is a hell of a thing to say to a group of people who share a common set of traits that cause them to be systematically shunned and demonised because they've not learned to cope with things society demands
2 replies 1 retweet 24 likesShow this thread -
Feminism really does have a problem with systematically rejecting the places where the theory naturally could and should be extended to men, and the way it treats groups like this who have male-coded problems (and are also majority but not exclusively men) really brings it out.
4 replies 0 retweets 23 likesShow this thread -
If you don't believe me try saying "female privilege" to your average feminist and see how they react. Privilege is a really useful framework for looking at a bunch of problems that men face that women don't. It's perfectly possible for both male and female privilege to exist.
4 replies 0 retweets 18 likesShow this thread -
...but pointing this out is extremely unpopular.
2 replies 0 retweets 12 likesShow this thread -
Replying to @GeniesLoki
Worth noting explicitly that the problem is symmetric - the reason why the other side reacts in such a hostile way to good-faith attempts at dialogue is that *they* have often met people who had daggers hidden behind their backs who "just wanted to critically discuss" the issue.
1 reply 0 retweets 6 likes
Yeah this is true, although I think the problem isn't exactly symmetric. The bad faith coming from each side is quite different.
-
-
Replying to @GeniesLoki
Kaj Sotala Retweeted Lili Loofbourow
This thread felt like a pretty good articulation of how people on the other side often experience it:https://twitter.com/Millicentsomer/status/1281414271692234753 …
Kaj Sotala added,
Lili LoofbourowVerified account @MillicentsomerI get the longing--I even share it--but the naivete is annoying. Online pundits should know (and factor in) that social media as a "public square" where "good faith debate" happens is a thing of the past. Disagreement here happens through trolling, sea-lioning, ratios, dunks.Show this thread1 reply 0 retweets 1 like -
Replying to @xuenay
Yeah, it is, and I think in a way that shows why the problem is not symmetric! I think it's hard to talk about feminism without bad faith actors appearing. I think it's also hard to talk in any way imperfectly aligned with feminism without people assuming you're one of them.
1 reply 0 retweets 5 likes - Show replies
New conversation -
Loading seems to be taking a while.
Twitter may be over capacity or experiencing a momentary hiccup. Try again or visit Twitter Status for more information.