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"I'm sorry you're hurting but that's not the same as structural oppression" is a hell of a thing to say to a group of people who share a common set of traits that cause them to be systematically shunned and demonised because they've not learned to cope with things society demands
Feminism really does have a problem with systematically rejecting the places where the theory naturally could and should be extended to men, and the way it treats groups like this who have male-coded problems (and are also majority but not exclusively men) really brings it out.
If you don't believe me try saying "female privilege" to your average feminist and see how they react. Privilege is a really useful framework for looking at a bunch of problems that men face that women don't. It's perfectly possible for both male and female privilege to exist.
I am apparently grouchy this morning and this topic brings that out extra hard.
Yes I'm aware that this is the most genteel version of hitting the roof you're likely to see on the twitternet. Some of us overcorrected when we finally learned to socialise, OK?
I am lucky to have a husband who is both sensitive and direct to teach me this "that thing you just repeated about men - you can see why it's upsetting to me right?" It took quite a few of those conversations for me to be able to reliably spot stuff that might be hurtful
Yeah. All of the people I am actually close to are very welcoming to this sort of feedback. This is really a problem I encounter in public discourse more than it is in private.
Interesting. Sounds plausible-ish although my experience is that a lot of male feminists aren't particularly happy with masculine gender roles either. Might be a question of degree and historical contingency though.
There's a strain of MRAs that are basically Feminists, but willing to apply the framework to men too.
Any references? I've not run into them, and that sounds worth my looking into.
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