How many of these communities have you been personally involved with? Poll in the next tweethttps://twitter.com/Tipsycaek/status/1316123134408364032 …
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Out of: -gamergate -4chan -pick up artists How many of these have you been involved with?
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Replying to @Kirsten3531
These numbers are about what I'd have expected to be honest. I think LW-rationalism has always had a strong norm of "If you're willing to have interesting conversations with us and mostly not be an asshole about it, we're happy to have you".
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Replying to @GeniesLoki @Kirsten3531
This is why they've got a reputation as being a hotbed of various unsavoury politics, because actually they mostly don't hold those views but they also tend not to exclude people with them.
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Replying to @GeniesLoki @Kirsten3531
So, yeah, you're going to get a bunch of people who are smart but also hang out on the darker parts of the internet. (Side note: I'm a "zero" voter, but my impression is 4chan is a more complicated place than people give credit for and PUA less uniformly bad than it's painted)
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Replying to @GeniesLoki
I've heard people argue that Matthew Hussey effectively teaches women to be pick up artists in their own way and he seems pretty harmless - I wouldn't object an equivalent for menhttps://youtu.be/pg8Z0_N5KS8
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Replying to @Kirsten3531
Some of mark Manson's work is kinda like this. I don't know if he was ever explicitly into PUA but the first edition of Models sure reads like he was, but the second edition is mostly genuinely good advice and doesn't have much I'd object to in it.
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Replying to @GeniesLoki @Kirsten3531
He basically got his start as a PUA coach, but seemed to realize how toxic the community was earlier than most.https://goodmenproject.com/featured-content/my-life-as-a-pickup-artist/ …
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Replying to @dinglevery @Kirsten3531
This makes a lot of sense from what I remember of Models! It's possible I even knew this at one point and forgot the details. One thing I'd say is that I suspect "the community" is quite lumpy. I've met one or two perfectly nice PUAs who seem to have good local communities.
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And a big part of that is rejecting the more toxic elements of the community at large (they at least claimed to be very focused more on the good end he describes in this article, and it seemed plausible).
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I'm sure he's right that *staying* in the community / actively practicing PUA is a bad sign but I suspect there are a reasonable number of people for whom it's actually a perfectly healthy transitional group.
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