GeniesLoki

The other big problem is that, particularly on the internet, I think people (especially men, but in general) are used to a lot of feminism and SJ stuff being basically used to shut down discussion and argument. "You must agree with this or you're a bad person" rhetoric.

This is a corner of the internet where people *really* like discussion and argument and want to be able to challenge you on your ideas - not because they disagree, but because that's how you engage with an idea to understand it better.

Signalling that you hold norms which will treat that as illegitimate is going to get people to regard you with a lot of caution.

Generally speaking I think most people here will be fine with feminist terminology *if* you're prepared to engage with them on these sorts of terms and possibly define what you mean more precisely if it comes to that, but they might be prickly until they know you'll do that.

I think that's most of it.

I guess to add a bit more explicitly given the examples in https://twitter.com/Kirsten3531/status/1316118870466461697 … A lot of why people are going to be sensitive to many of these is that they've been attacked using many or all of these terms, so they've got negative emotional associations.

This plays particularly badly with pretty much all of the above because when this happens it's *also* typically treated as illegitimate and further sign of badness on your prat to object to being attacked.

I think in this particular circle everyone remembers the Scott Aaronson internet in which everyone took guys being kinda sad about their difficulties dating, for reasons that were widely shared in their peer group, as evidence of toxic male entitlement. We didn't like that much.