The broad implied usage is one that I think has caused a lot of problems for some people, many of whom are in this corner of Twitter. It's not a great thing to be immersed in if you're a socially awkward man with a propensity to take things very seriously/literally.
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Replying to @GeniesLoki @Kirsten3531
At a personal level, I've *definitely* had a lot of emotional problems associated with internalising "men are bad" discourse, so I very much get why people are a bit sensitive to anything that seems a bit too much like that.
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Replying to @GeniesLoki @Kirsten3531
The other big problem is that, particularly on the internet, I think people (especially men, but in general) are used to a lot of feminism and SJ stuff being basically used to shut down discussion and argument. "You must agree with this or you're a bad person" rhetoric.
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Replying to @GeniesLoki @Kirsten3531
This is a corner of the internet where people *really* like discussion and argument and want to be able to challenge you on your ideas - not because they disagree, but because that's how you engage with an idea to understand it better.
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Replying to @GeniesLoki @Kirsten3531
Signalling that you hold norms which will treat that as illegitimate is going to get people to regard you with a lot of caution.
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Replying to @GeniesLoki @Kirsten3531
Generally speaking I think most people here will be fine with feminist terminology *if* you're prepared to engage with them on these sorts of terms and possibly define what you mean more precisely if it comes to that, but they might be prickly until they know you'll do that.
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Replying to @GeniesLoki @Kirsten3531
GeniesLoki Retweeted Kirsten
I guess to add a bit more explicitly given the examples in https://twitter.com/Kirsten3531/status/1316118870466461697 … A lot of why people are going to be sensitive to many of these is that they've been attacked using many or all of these terms, so they've got negative emotional associations.
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Replying to @GeniesLoki @Kirsten3531
This plays particularly badly with pretty much all of the above because when this happens it's *also* typically treated as illegitimate and further sign of badness on your prat to object to being attacked.
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Replying to @GeniesLoki @Kirsten3531
I think in this particular circle everyone remembers the Scott Aaronson internet in which everyone took guys being kinda sad about their difficulties dating, for reasons that were widely shared in their peer group, as evidence of toxic male entitlement. We didn't like that much.
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*incident. Though also internet. None of which is to delegitimise these concepts, or to say that there aren't real problems being pointed at here. Some of these attacks were probably 100% legitimate. But people're still going to be wary.
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Replying to @GeniesLoki @Kirsten3531
I actually think this community could benefit a lot from a good influx of feminist theory, and that's part of why I go ahead and use it anyway sometimes (especially in my "masculinity problems" threads where it's less likely to trigger this effect).
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Replying to @GeniesLoki @Kirsten3531
But it's definitely made 10x harder by it mostly being heard in context where it's being used against them (/us, although it's a bit different because I've mostly been on the inside, so have a different though still kinda unpleasant experience there).
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