People have no idea what "socialism" or "fake news" mean, but no one tells me off for using those terms. But I feel like in this corner of Twitter people are sensitive to feminist terms, to the point they'd rather I not use them b/c they could be misunderstood. Is that accurate?
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Replying to @Kirsten3531
I don't mind you using them and often use them myself, but I can probably explain the dynamic a bit of why people might be a bit sensitive about them if you'd like?
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Replying to @Kirsten3531
First: I don't think "because they might be misunderstood" points at the problem well. I think there are much more specific negative associations people have with the use of feminist terminology.
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Replying to @GeniesLoki @Kirsten3531
Where the problem is lack of precision, I think it's not that people are worried about misunderstanding so much as that that lack of precision is deliberate. This is what people mean when they say motte and bailey: A narrow defensible usage and a broad implied usage.
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Replying to @GeniesLoki
Just to make sure I understand - isn't the motte and bailey one where basically no one actually believes the narrow definition? It's *exclusively* used to defend against attacks? Is that what we're referring to here too? Or is that just the archetypal example?
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Replying to @Kirsten3531
Hmm. I think in my understanding of it it was the opposite. It's not that nobody believes the narrow definition, it's that virtually everybody does, and the ambiguity between the two is used to defend the broad version by claiming to only need to defend the narrow version.
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Replying to @GeniesLoki @Kirsten3531
(I think the degree to which feminism does motte and bailey has been greatly exaggerated TBH - it definitely does happen with some individual feminists, but I think it's a misdiagnosis of the way overreach of feminist concepts tends to actually happen)
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I guess a central example of feminist motte and bailey would be: * "You're a feminist if you believe women are people" (whichever one the defensible one is I never remember) * "If you're a feminist you must then believe in concepts like privilege, patriarchy etc" (the other one)
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