main reason why I loathe the "male gaze"-framing is that it invariably implies that 1) sexual attraction is incompatible with respect and 2) being attracted to female bodies does women harm + is intrinsically gross and a sign of lacking self-control desiring sex is not violence.
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I don't think I've ever seen someone just say "the male gaze is bad", although I've seen some ambiguous cases (where you can't really tell if someone wants less or none).
I think with a lot of this stuff there's a fairly wide gap between what people explicitly say and the overall effect that is created by what people say. A lot of men (and women!) do seem to come away a strong "Being attracted to women is intrinsically oppressive" impression.
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And yeah, almost nobody would explicitly endorse that if asked about it, but they're clearly doing *something* to create that impression.
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(I don't really have a problem with the term "male gaze" in the same way that
@Elodes12 does, and I think there are a lot of valid and important issues being pointed to in this space, but there's definitely a lot going on here that isn't part of the explicitly endorsed theory)
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