"Yes this is totally a thing that happens, women aren't very good at this because they've never needed to learn to be" is an opinion that I often find myself disagreeing with others on and it's just occurred to me that... maybe this isn't a thing that happens to most men?
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It doesn't happen to me a *lot*, but it's definitely a thing that happens to me, and I just assumed that was normal.
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This isn't a humblebrag I promise. I genuinely dislike it when this happens, it's very uncomfortable, and I'm pretty sure it doesn't happen to me just because I'm attractive.
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OK, based on the responses I'm updating back in favour of this probably being normal. But I'd still like to hear about your experiences if you'd like to talk about them.
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Two memorable examples for me: 1. Someone who was a casual friend got *very* handsy with me at a party. Pretty sure she asked and I gave permission, but I was clearly far too... lets say incapacitated... to be remotely capable of consenting.
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It was right on the boundary of acceptability but I still feel unsettled by the experience a few years later. I didn't do anything about it other than avoiding similar situations in future and treating her as likely to be unsafe.
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2. Other memorable incident was in some ways more minor but could have escalated further. On public transport late at night. Drunk woman put her arm around me and all but dragged me into her equally drunk group of friends while chatting animatedly at me.
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I stoically put up with her for a few minutes then politely disentangled myself and made my excuses. Nothing came of it but I was very aware that there were quite a lot more of them than me and that the potential for A Scene existed.
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Beyond that, lots of minor touching things, nothing I can specifically pinpoint as memorable, just a general sense that women are much more willing to touch me (not just casually, which is fine) in ways that I'd feel *really* uncomfortable doing the same to them without consent.
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Replying to @GeniesLoki
That last bit is what resonates with my memory the most. Women touching in a generally 'safe' way that I experienced as intimate and sort-of-almost intrusive and confusing because I never would have deliberately touched a stranger like that.
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Yeah. And I think there's a fine line where some of it is OK. I think men err too much on the side of not touching. But there's definitely a point where it crosses a line and you can sense that they absolutely can't tell that it has and also wouldn't take an objection seriously.
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Replying to @GeniesLoki
This I believe also. I had a friend in university who was regularly groped by women on the dance floor.
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Replying to @GeniesLoki @muddletoes
I think this is actually part of why men violating the boundary is treated as more egregious? Because they are normally aware of and part of policing the boundaries here (~yay patriarchy~), so the break is obviously conscious. Women are treated as "non-signatory parties".
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