Are "you're not bad for having this problem" and "you should improve this problem" fundamentally incompatible??
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Replying to @jack_meditates
Hmm. I don't think so? It depends a lot on what sort of "should" it is, but I think it's actually entirely normal to have both of these be true. e.g. there are things you are obligated to be good at, but you have to be bad at them first, and this is not a moral failing.
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Replying to @GeniesLoki
for a concrete example, think of a fat person. is accepting them for being fat at odds with motivating them to not be fat?
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Replying to @jack_meditates
I think this is a good example of it depending on what "should" means. I think the correct position here is roughly "Here are the benefits you would experience from not being fat. I will support your change if you decide that's worth it, and accept your decision if you don't."
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Replying to @GeniesLoki
that feels like a softened version of B) like you would clearly be disappointed if they chose no, but you would still be their friend or whatever. but the subtle pressure of anti-A) is there.
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Replying to @jack_meditates
I don't think there's any implied disappointment here! It's providing someone with information and respecting their autonomy over how to use that information.
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Replying to @GeniesLoki
hmm maybe it really depends on your relationship to them. i still think there's a level of "if i were you i would not be fat" in there.
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I don't think that's disappointment? If I were you, I'd be me, but you're you and that's your choice because you are a person and I respect your autonomy in being a different person than me.
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Replying to @GeniesLoki @jack_meditates
I can imagine situations in which I might be disappointed in someone for continuing to be fat, but they'd require pretty strong preconditions like them having a strongly expressed desire to not be fat but continuing to put in literally zero effort to achieve that.
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