Are "you're not bad for having this problem" and "you should improve this problem" fundamentally incompatible??
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Replying to @jack_meditates
Hmm. I don't think so? It depends a lot on what sort of "should" it is, but I think it's actually entirely normal to have both of these be true. e.g. there are things you are obligated to be good at, but you have to be bad at them first, and this is not a moral failing.
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Replying to @GeniesLoki
for a concrete example, think of a fat person. is accepting them for being fat at odds with motivating them to not be fat?
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Replying to @jack_meditates
I think this is a good example of it depending on what "should" means. I think the correct position here is roughly "Here are the benefits you would experience from not being fat. I will support your change if you decide that's worth it, and accept your decision if you don't."
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Replying to @GeniesLoki
that feels like a softened version of B) like you would clearly be disappointed if they chose no, but you would still be their friend or whatever. but the subtle pressure of anti-A) is there.
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Replying to @jack_meditates
I don't think there's any implied disappointment here! It's providing someone with information and respecting their autonomy over how to use that information.
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I do think there are some examples where there is a stronger moral component though. e.g. consent negotiation during sex. Nobody is good at this to start with, and so being bad at it is not a moral failing, but continuing to be bad at it after having lots of sex is.
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