My counterargument to this is literally all of fandom.
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Replying to @Tau_Phillips
The core of slash fiction is basically an entire culture built around mostly cis het women objectifying gay men. (I don't necessarily think this is bad, but it's very much a thing)
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Replying to @GeniesLoki @Tau_Phillips
In general (and this is partly a cultural thing that exists from moving mostly in queer poly mostly female dominated spaces rather than the mainstream, but I've 100% encountered it from random women on the streets too) a lot of the creepier behaviour I see is from women.
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Replying to @GeniesLoki @Tau_Phillips
And the reason is basically that it's treated as a harmless when women do it, so it doesn't trigger the same external or internal repercussions. A man being creepy is a big deal. A woman being creepy is generally not, so they don't necessarily learn how not to.
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Replying to @Tau_Phillips
Possibly we mean slightly different things? I think I'd claim the following are both true: 1. More men are low-grade creepy than women (although I have complex feelings about why this is). 2. High-grade creepy behaviour actually encountered is more likely to come from women.
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Yeah, and it's going to be very culturally specific and depend a lot on how you define the boundaries of creepy etc. Mostly what I mean is that I have encountered a lot of women who do not understand how to appropriately get consent around touch and personal space.
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Also tangential but *are* we on the other side of the gender divide? I don't recall what your gender is (I had it vaguely in my head that that was deliberately not something you shared?)
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