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What are those principles?
e.g. "You should listen to people's lived experiences if you want to understand them", "You're probably oblivious to problems faced by people whose identities you don't share", "Identities interact in complex ways that create their own unique problems"
Like from a feminist point of view it's obvious* that unless you actually ask men about their experience you probably don't understand it. * yet widely ignored
This is all ideology. Men shouldn't hope to be 'finally understood' by women, or to have their 'lived experiences heard'- this is exactly the problem. If the search for masculine self-understanding takes feminism as its model, it's already based on the wrong premise
I don't really feel like relitigating this argument, sorry
Yup. Feminism's primary error lies in being incomplete/hypocritical, not in being wrong. Most principles I've seen feminists live by are pretty sound, smart, and kind; their mistake lies in not extending these principles to (white cishet) men.
There are radical feminists who literally and explicitly hate men, not just as a 'mistake' but as a self-conscious ideology. If you're serious about 'integrating' from feminism, then you need to confront this area of the literature and truly reckon with what it's saying
This seems older than Feminism, to me.
It's neoliberal psychological politics
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