GeniesLoki

I’d be down with this in a power vacuum but men are privileged in a way women aren’t. Even if mansplaining is ‘just how men talk’ it would still be sexist in this cultural context I think.

Certainly I think there's an obligation to be a good conversationalist in many contexts but I think there's a wide variety of stable and useful conversation norms and insisting people always use your own rather than adapting to local ones is a doomed move.

Also power is more complicated than that and "men always need to do things womens' way in any mixed group" is a nonstarter of a general solution.

Does this change if you frame it in terms of accessibility? ‘Men have no obligation to make their comms intelligible to women’ feels icky and ableist kinda?

IDK do you think women have an obligation to make their conversation norms accessible to men?

This feels like a trick question (not intentionally) I perceive female conversational norms to promote accessibility as a core tenet So yes, but that's an internal obligation, not due to mixed gender conversation

Do you think insisting people talk to you in the mode you prefer that does not come naturally to them because you treat their preferred mode as illegitimate is an accessible move? Because that's what's currently being proposed here in the name of accessibility.

As a disabled person let me explain to you that accessibility often has a cost. We still do it, because we value including people.