Say what you will abt feminism or social justice or w/e but this concept is 100% real
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Replying to @PYeerk
the virgin: if feminism is fake then all its concepts are fake feminism is fake therefore all its concepts are fake vs the chad: if feminism is fake then all its concepts are fake this feminism concept is not fake therefore feminism is not fake
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Replying to @nosilverv @PYeerk
Feminism is 100% real but men have been structurally hermeneutically disadvantaged by the lack of a functioning corresponding masculinism. (the manosphere stuff definitely ain't it)
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broke: men don't need a field of study about them woke: men need a masculinism that coexists with feminism bespoke: men have a field of study already; looking thru a feminist lens, "man" is the default hermeneutic stance in the vast majority of philosophy
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Honestly I've heard variants of this take so often that it's solidly in the "broke" category. It's true that specific aspects of the male experience are very prevalent in the literature. This does not mean that the typical male experience is well understood.
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Replying to @GeniesLoki @simpolism and
A core tenet of feminism is that the patriarchy oppresses most men too. Why not develop masculinism as a subfield? “Feminism for men.” Terrible name, but when has the Left ever been good at naming things.
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Replying to @AskYatharth @GeniesLoki and
By calling it feminism for men, we: 1. embed the idea that it is in cooperation with feminism rather than opposed to it—any other name would get this confused. 2. make clear it is a subfield and that men aren’t taking over a hard-won space to make central the female voice.
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Replying to @AskYatharth @simpolism and
Honestly this sounds like a proposal whose main advantage is bringing everyone together in unity over how much they will hate it.
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Replying to @GeniesLoki @AskYatharth and
There's a lot of hostility to male feminists from both sides, "feminism for men" plays right into a lot of stereotypes about men's behaviour ("for men" is literally a running joke in feminist circles), and honestly it does sound like men coming into feminism and making it theirs.
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Replying to @GeniesLoki @AskYatharth and
I also think describing "patriarchy hurts men too" as a core tenet of feminism is very charitable. "Patriarchy hurts men too" is largely a thing people say when they want to gotcha men and don't want to examine the way *their* behaviour hurts men, and is rarely well integrated.
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(It absolutely *is* true that patriarchy hurts men too, but phrasing it that way is often used to get women off the hook for their participation in enforcing those aspects of patriarchy)
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Replying to @GeniesLoki @AskYatharth and
All this being said I guess functionally "feminism for men" actually is what I'm doing, because I'd really rather not found a movement so largely what I end up doing instead is just taking the general tools of analysis I've learned from feminism and applying them to men's issues.
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