GeniesLoki

Feminism is 100% real but men have been structurally hermeneutically disadvantaged by the lack of a functioning corresponding masculinism. (the manosphere stuff definitely ain't it)

Mind expanding on masculinism v. manosphere?

Mostly I think the manosphere defines itself as in opposition to feminism rather than in cooperation with it, lacks a psychologically healthy foundation, and contains a lot of toxic subcultures (such as PUA) that poison the whole pool.

Like I think a better starting point would basically be "Cool, feminism has done a lot of great work for analysing the societal consequences of gender norms, but it's written mostly by women so lacks an understanding of men's lived experience, can we fix that?"

It's going to be impossible to build the cooperation that a masculinism would want as long as feminists refuse to grapple with this. Mainstream iterations of feminism see men as emotionless (ergo, experienceless) creatures, therefore there is no lived experience to study.

I consider myself feminist and have spent lots of time grappling with this, but no other feminist I've conversed with accepts it as a legitimate issue to consider.

Pretty much every time I talk about these sorts of issues on here I get at least a few new women (I haven't polled but I assume most/all of them would consider themselves feminists given the conversations) positively engaging with it.

Like I think fundamentally you can't actually think that men are emotionless husks if you actually know any men, which most people do. A lot of "Men are evil" talk seems to have huge cognitive dissonance with people's positive experiences of individual men.