GeniesLoki

the virgin: if feminism is fake then all its concepts are fake feminism is fake therefore all its concepts are fake vs the chad: if feminism is fake then all its concepts are fake this feminism concept is not fake therefore feminism is not fake

Feminism is 100% real but men have been structurally hermeneutically disadvantaged by the lack of a functioning corresponding masculinism. (the manosphere stuff definitely ain't it)

Mind expanding on masculinism v. manosphere?

Mostly I think the manosphere defines itself as in opposition to feminism rather than in cooperation with it, lacks a psychologically healthy foundation, and contains a lot of toxic subcultures (such as PUA) that poison the whole pool.

Like I think a better starting point would basically be "Cool, feminism has done a lot of great work for analysing the societal consequences of gender norms, but it's written mostly by women so lacks an understanding of men's lived experience, can we fix that?"

Why do you think men aren’t doing the work of supplying this work?

Seems like maybe a. We’re told we have it good so analysis is detrimental. B. Same reason there aren’t as many male social workers? Interpersonal or social dynamics as low inclination.

I think it's a mix of lack of conditions that make it easy to do the work and a fair bit of opposition on all sides - conventional masculinity doesn't make it easy to admit weakness, and a lot (not most IME) of feminists tend to be quite unsympathetic to the program.