People seem to really struggle to reason about the fact that the same person can be both privileged and oppressed without these things in any way cancelling out. If they're ingroup, people ignore that they're privileged, if they're outgroup people ignore that they're oppressed.
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I think this is partly because people (across the board, this isn't just a social justice thing) take adversity as granting moral authority. Admitting your privilege feels like giving up moral authority. Admitting someone's oppression feels like granting them moral authority.
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Replying to @GeniesLoki
I do not think this is a timeless pattern. This pattern is a result of which groups Won (ie, our cultural ancestors) and how they Won. Ie, by reframing Attack as Defense.https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0022103110002805 …
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I think adversity has been widely considered a sign of moral authority, what varies historically and geographically is whether you need to overcome the adversity in order to gain that authority.
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Replying to @GeniesLoki @forshaper
e.g. "I worked hard to get where I am!" will always be treated as a greater sign of authority than having been gifted your position.
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Replying to @GeniesLoki @forshaper
perhaps in a group in whch it is mostly agreed upon “I worked hard to get where I am” is impossible, the adversity itself becomes the virtue.
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Plausibly! I'm not sure that's the origin story of this attitude in SJ communities but I think there's an element of that in a number of cultures. E.g. Feels a bit like an eastern European thing.
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And I guess even within western European cultures there's a sort of "you think you have it bad?! Let me tell you what happened to me..." Oneupmanship style of pride.
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(that might just be an Anglophone Western European culture thing I don't know)
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