oh yeah in that case i fully agree
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Replying to @__justplaying @GeniesLoki
online discourse, in general is becoming more and more abusive and vicious, unfortunately
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and i think at the core of all this is two things 1. people think what they're doing is not abusive 2. people feel that the abuse is justified
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3. people are really good at lying themselves saying what they're doing is not abusive/justified
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which is to say, as the NYT and others so aptly put it a while back: everything is gamergate now
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My working theory is something along the lines of: 1. People think conflict justifies abuse when it's "punching up" 2. People think that broad commentary directed at a privileged group is intrinsically punching up.
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Replying to @GeniesLoki @__justplaying
I can sortof buy (1) in some special cases. e.g. I think there are a lot of cases of legitimate power struggle where many things I'd otherwise consider not OK become if not ideal at least justifiable. (2) is just false though.
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Replying to @__justplaying @GeniesLoki
And attacking whites and men across the board isn’t even necessarily punching up. To believe that, first you have to buy in to a particular broad-brush view of society. Then u have to forget that this stratified model has been successfully flipped,
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A thing I often struggle with the honesty of is that my strongest argument that these things are not punching up is that the people I know personally who are hurt the most by it are trans men, and "men are intrinsically violent" discourse literally kills men of colour, but...
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...the reality is that I don't think those should be necessary as arguments that it's bad behaviour. The reason that I object to it isn't that it's punching down, it's that I'm being punched.
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Replying to @GeniesLoki @__justplaying
You’re right, that is the strongest argument. Totally agree. I just bring it up because i imagine there r peeps who feel they’re right (this behavior/treatment is wrong), but think they don’t have good arguments to defend themselves. “Yeah, this discourse hurts me but i guess i
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see their point.” When the point also wrong Can’t u just imagine what the feminist-style talking points abt men will be in 10 yrs after the damage from this hateful discourse has registered? “Imagine growing up told you’re worthless. Being told ur place is in the background.”
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