hm can you give an example? as an aside you might like this book, i found it extremely valuablehttps://www.amazon.com/Love-Men-Vision-Mindful-Masculinity/dp/1250196248 …
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Replying to @__justplaying
I've never quite got around to reading it because a podcast with the author managed to kinda piss me off. Possibly unfairly.
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Replying to @GeniesLoki
she's... eh... i tried consuming other content with her, without too much success and the book is woke, BUT it's very easy to just skip the woke bits and therein lies a very good book
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Replying to @__justplaying @GeniesLoki
like yes the book is mainly 1. feminism is good for everyone 2. patriarchy is bad for everyone but it's the first woke book written about men that's very even-handed and has a ton of compassion towards men
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Replying to @__justplaying
I think there's a lot of stuff that isn't "woke" but is very feminist and/or feminism informed but doesn't treat men as the enemy. Off the top of my head examples that I recommend a lot are Rewriting the Rules and various stuff by bell hooks but I particularly like All About Love
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Replying to @GeniesLoki @__justplaying
Like honestly part of my reluctance to read this book is that I feel like I've done and learned from plenty of feminist reading and if I want to learn more about men and masculinity I want to do it by reading stuff written by men.
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Replying to @GeniesLoki
i mean, fair but i have yet to find anything good from men on this
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Replying to @__justplaying
I quite like Raewyn Connol's "Masculinities" which, yes, is written by a woman, but she transitioned in her 60s and wrote this before then. I have "the gender of desire" by Michael Kimmel on my reading list but haven't quite got around to it.
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Replying to @GeniesLoki @__justplaying
Mark Manson's "Models" (the revised version, not the original version which is a bit to PUA) isn't not an example of this - it's primarily about dating, but it has a lot of implicit commentary on masculinity and how to do it well in there.
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I think also... even without those books, I'd honestly still rather read feminist books about women, learn from their perspective and learn the tools of analysis they are using them, and apply them to my own experience.
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I probably will read this book at some point anyway, but I don't feel inclined to prioritise it.
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