3. punching up can still be abusive
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Replying to @__justplaying
Yeah, I agree. I just think this behaviour isn't punching up by any reasonable definition of the term.
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Replying to @GeniesLoki
yeah no i agree. like many other things (i'm looking at you, "privilege", "emotional labor" etc.) the meaning and interpretation of it shifted and morphed over time and not necesarily in a good way
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Yeah. I think they've all morphed into a more easily weaponised form, and I think part of that is that they became concepts that men weren't really allowed to engage with in good faith. Actually *using* feminist concepts as a man is often treated as an act of aggression.
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Replying to @GeniesLoki @__justplaying
(As opposed to merely repeating feminist talking points, which is fine)
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hm can you give an example? as an aside you might like this book, i found it extremely valuablehttps://www.amazon.com/Love-Men-Vision-Mindful-Masculinity/dp/1250196248 …
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Replying to @__justplaying
I've never quite got around to reading it because a podcast with the author managed to kinda piss me off. Possibly unfairly.
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Replying to @GeniesLoki
she's... eh... i tried consuming other content with her, without too much success and the book is woke, BUT it's very easy to just skip the woke bits and therein lies a very good book
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Replying to @__justplaying @GeniesLoki
like yes the book is mainly 1. feminism is good for everyone 2. patriarchy is bad for everyone but it's the first woke book written about men that's very even-handed and has a ton of compassion towards men
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Replying to @__justplaying
I think there's a lot of stuff that isn't "woke" but is very feminist and/or feminism informed but doesn't treat men as the enemy. Off the top of my head examples that I recommend a lot are Rewriting the Rules and various stuff by bell hooks but I particularly like All About Love
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Like honestly part of my reluctance to read this book is that I feel like I've done and learned from plenty of feminist reading and if I want to learn more about men and masculinity I want to do it by reading stuff written by men.
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Replying to @GeniesLoki
i mean, fair but i have yet to find anything good from men on this
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Replying to @__justplaying
I quite like Raewyn Connol's "Masculinities" which, yes, is written by a woman, but she transitioned in her 60s and wrote this before then. I have "the gender of desire" by Michael Kimmel on my reading list but haven't quite got around to it.
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