oh yeah in that case i fully agree
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and that, is what's really frustrating me about all this.
I'm just naively trying to talk about the problem and surfacing what I think are under-appreciated points of view from the men's side of things and hoping it helps a bit. It's not going to change the discourse, but it might at least change a few minds.
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yeah no i think that's extremely valuable and i think you're doing a genuinely good thing here, we need more of this. truly men need to speak up about this, however we can, if only through our alts because of the nature of, well, the discourse.
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I have had some luck talking about masculinity specific issues on main too, but it has to be a lot more "patriarchy hurts men too" and a lot less "you, yes you, are also complicit in this problem"
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