...The mere existence of people with positive views towards males doesn't help those in need. If 95% of feminists are quietly, passively pro-male and 5% are rampant abusers, the favorable ratio doesn't indicate a movement healthy for men.
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3. I'm certainly curious and open to hearing more about a proposed parallel movement, it's not something I've really thought of.
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Replying to @__rowboat__ @sullyj3
It's something I've thought of but honestly founding a movement sounds exhausting so I mostly just try to move the needle with Twitter threads and other writing and kinda hope that having enough good memes out there will help.
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Replying to @GeniesLoki @sullyj3
I don't mean to demean your attitude or efforts - I am genuinely grateful. But this is an example of why I am pessimistic and why I think that pessimism is important. The range of reaction is largely between "I drink male tears" and "I'm pro-male, but not doing much about it."
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Boys and men don't have the biggest ID group problem set in the world, but I think it's important, at a practical level, for us to know how alone we are in dealing with those problems.
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Replying to @__rowboat__ @sullyj3
I don't think men are alone in dealing with those problems though - I think they often get a lot of one on one help. It's true that there's not as much broad political support for them but, well, that's why I talk about this stuff.
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Replying to @GeniesLoki @sullyj3
"100% of men are 100% alone" would be an exaggeration, but if we agree that there isn't broad political support, couldn't we agree that many men should expect inadequate support as the default?
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Replying to @__rowboat__ @sullyj3
I think this statement is too abstract for me to agree or disagree with. I think most men with close female friends or partners probably have adequate interpersonal support if they feel safe reaching out for it. I think most community-level issues are badly supported.
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Replying to @GeniesLoki @sullyj3
Even if I were to 100% agree, look at your requirements! *Close* female friends or partners AND they must feel safe reaching out. These are not trivial!
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Replying to @__rowboat__ @sullyj3
Almost nobody has trivially available adequate support though? Close friends who you feel safe reaching out to is where most support comes from.
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Women are probably better supported in this sense because they're more socially equipped to reach out for help, but that's not a question of availability - it's a question of gender-related trauma preventing men from accessing what's available.
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Replying to @GeniesLoki @sullyj3
This is complicated but for one thing "availability, but trauma prevents you" can be functionally equivalent to "unavailable." Anorexics are frequently surrounded by food, that doesn't mean that the support they need is available. What they need is support to *address the trauma*
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This is where the lack of broad social support is killer. You're traumatized so you can't access the personal support that exists...
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