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    1. j‏ @sullyj3 Aug 25
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      In order to call men suppressing their emotion "labour", you implicitly propose that it is in some way desirable that they do so. /

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    2. j‏ @sullyj3 Aug 25
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      So I think that calling it labour kind of runs counter to the prevailing SJ narrative that men displaying emotion is always and everywhere a good thing. /

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    3. j‏ @sullyj3 Aug 25
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      But I actually think @GeniesLoki is right, it is a form of emotional labour, in that actually if men did express their emotions more in certain contexts, many advocates of greater emotional openness would find that they don't actually like it very much. /

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    4. j‏ @sullyj3 Aug 25
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      When people advocate for greater emotional expressiveness, imo they often have a very idealized idea of emotional expression in mind. They expect it to be poetic, and cathartic, and articulate, and beautiful. /

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    5. j‏ @sullyj3 Aug 25
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      Everyone loves manly tears, especially when they're coming from a manly dude. The problem is that this unfortunately often just isn't what the real world looks like. Emotions can be ugly or misguided. They're messy, and they don't make sense. /

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    6. j‏ @sullyj3 Aug 25
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      Additionally, I think many people do in fact find true weakness in men contemptible, although they may be unwilling to recognize that fact. /

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    7. j‏ @sullyj3 Aug 25
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      So I think in many cases when men do express their emotions in real life, they're punished for it even by proponents of greater emotional expressiveness, partially because those proponents don't even notice what's going on. /

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    8. j‏ @sullyj3 Aug 25
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      They don't pattern match the ugly, messy real world nature of the situation to the poetic ideal in their minds. I think SJ ideology needs to grapple harder with whether this kind of messy greater expressiveness is really worth it, and either bite the bullet or don't. /

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    9. rowboat‏ @__rowboat__ Aug 25
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      I'm a pessimist here; there's no obvious route by which the social justice activist community would confront its anti-male bias. The idea that oppressor groups don't deserve consideration is too strong...

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    10. rowboat‏ @__rowboat__ Aug 25
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      ...and feminists can always just lean on traditional gender norms against male emotional expression when it suits them.

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      GeniesLoki‏ @GeniesLoki Aug 25
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      My general impression is that most individual people in these spaces are actually very willing to have good conversations about this and update their beliefs. The difficulties are: a) identifying the small minority with whom it will be a train wreck b) shifting the larger group

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        2. GeniesLoki‏ @GeniesLoki Aug 25
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          I think rather than move the space it's probably better to essentially form parallel movements that are explicitly mixed gender from the get go, heavily SJ informed, but start from a place of open and honest curiousity about what people of all genders' experiences are like.

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        3. rowboat‏ @__rowboat__ Aug 25
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          Various thoughts: 1. I can't quite tell if you're agreeing or disagreeing with my pessimism. Agreeing, perhaps, since you propose a new group.

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