However, when you call something emotional labour, it carries a connotation that the labour is beneficial to the unknowing beneficiary. /
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In order to call men suppressing their emotion "labour", you implicitly propose that it is in some way desirable that they do so. /
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So I think that calling it labour kind of runs counter to the prevailing SJ narrative that men displaying emotion is always and everywhere a good thing. /
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But I actually think
@GeniesLoki is right, it is a form of emotional labour, in that actually if men did express their emotions more in certain contexts, many advocates of greater emotional openness would find that they don't actually like it very much. /1 reply 0 retweets 10 likesShow this thread -
When people advocate for greater emotional expressiveness, imo they often have a very idealized idea of emotional expression in mind. They expect it to be poetic, and cathartic, and articulate, and beautiful. /
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Everyone loves manly tears, especially when they're coming from a manly dude. The problem is that this unfortunately often just isn't what the real world looks like. Emotions can be ugly or misguided. They're messy, and they don't make sense. /
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Additionally, I think many people do in fact find true weakness in men contemptible, although they may be unwilling to recognize that fact. /
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So I think in many cases when men do express their emotions in real life, they're punished for it even by proponents of greater emotional expressiveness, partially because those proponents don't even notice what's going on. /
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They don't pattern match the ugly, messy real world nature of the situation to the poetic ideal in their minds. I think SJ ideology needs to grapple harder with whether this kind of messy greater expressiveness is really worth it, and either bite the bullet or don't. /
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I personally think it's worth it. If they do, they need to be more consistent in their application of the principle, rather than just treating men poorly for expressing emotions that don't fit their preconceived ideas of emotional expression.
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Strong agree with most of this, though I'd probably add that although SJ is very pro men expressing their emotions in the abstract, it's also full of concrete examples of telling specific men or groups of men to suppress specific emotions.
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So https://twitter.com/sullyj3/status/1298502421807677440?s=19 … is part of the narrative around men and emotion certainly but it's not the whole of the narrative and SJ spaces are if anything more inclined to tell men to suppress their emotional responses than the mainstream
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This is probably the easiest example https://twitter.com/GeniesLoki/status/1298284512066011137?s=19 … Another one is the tendency to describe men being sad about some aspect of their life as being entitled (which is often but maybe not mostly fair)
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