I don't really have a conclusion I'm building to, I just think pluralism and flexibility are good and putting poly and monogamy in opposition to eachother rather than as points on a spectrum isn't doing either side any favours
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Replying to @GeniesLoki
I agree that putting them in opposition isn't normally helpful. Another ways it's unhelpful is that people are usually arguing against a strawman, which I think you and I have talked about before.
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Replying to @Kirsten3531 @GeniesLoki
I have a very dear friend who became poly because a boyfriend asked her point blank if she was attracted to other people and then got mad at her for it so she thought monogamists just weren't attached to other people?? I was like "no your boyfriend was just an idiot"
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Replying to @Kirsten3531 @GeniesLoki
Did her boyfriend find other women attractive? You make it sound like he claimed to be mono-sexual (os is that attraction to people with mono?). Seems unlikely he didn't, but some men are very insecure for some reason?
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Replying to @chrisgardenuk @Kirsten3531
I do think monogamy norms tend to exacerbate that insecurity because too many perfectly normal things start to seem like threats. Although honestly there are a lot of insecure poly men too so it's far from *caused* by monogamy.
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Replying to @GeniesLoki @Kirsten3531
I'm not sure. The thing is, there's a lot tied up in your relatiomship. Many people jointly own a house together or have other big financial commitments that otherwise they couldn't afford. And many *do* feel a need to align who they live with with who they sleep with.
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Replying to @chrisgardenuk @Kirsten3531
"many do feel a need to align who they live with with who they sleep with" seems like it's exactly my point rather than a disagreement?
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Replying to @GeniesLoki @Kirsten3531
Maybe I just missed your point a bit?
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Replying to @chrisgardenuk @Kirsten3531
Worrying about relationship failure is perfectly natural and common, but it one is insecure one will tend to worry about anything adjacent to relationship failure too, and with monogamy a lot more things are adjacent to relationship failure so there's more to be insecure about.
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Replying to @GeniesLoki @Kirsten3531
But if you can't buy a place to live alone and it's a long term investment, you either need to give up or you need a deeply invested partner. And I don't think it's just social norms that make people insecure if they build a life with someone they're sharing with others.
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Not just, certainly, but it's a big part of it! The judgement of others and what people consider a successful relationship is a big factor in relationship failure.
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