GeniesLoki

the way i interpret your language you’re talking as if fun is an intrinsic property of activities and that doesn’t make ontological sense to me. obviously some things are fun for some people and not others and that’s exactly the phenomenon under investigation

most of the common kink stuff is stuff i would not find fun personally, i don’t find pain fun, i don’t find degradation fun in either direction, etc. in my view there’s a lot to be explained here!

Do you also feel that there's a lot to be explained about why some people are into D&D and some people are into football?

some but less?

For what it's worth, I do think it's generally not that hard to understand why any given thing is fun, and it's usually not that complicated and for reasons that generalise. Individual variation is usually more down to whether you can / it's worth it to get into it.

Not hard but not trivial either In the last three years I did a lot of writing lists of stuff that feel or felt fun and trying to glimpse the underlying patterns I think I'm almost done as no great surprise has shown up lately It's been very useful

Oh, sure, there's a lot to unpack in the subject - especially about one's personal relationship with it and whether you're able to find a particular thing fun or not. It's figuring out why a given thing might be fun to someone that I don't think is generally hard.

this continues to seem like a really weird perspective to me but i’m having trouble articulating why