GeniesLoki

On specific examples: * Pain is fun because it increases pleasure sensitivity and grounds you in your body. * Degradation I'm less clear on, but I think it's a total surrender thing - it forces you to fully immerse yourself in and engage with your enjoyment of the experience.

But equally it's not hard to understand why those don't work for any given person - some people are more pain sensitive than others, so the downsides outweigh the upsides. Degradation can be a huge trigger.

this is really not my experience of kink-flavored activities at all. i would find a lot of them not just unfun but slightly traumatizing to do

my experience of fun generally has very little to do with specific activities and a ton to do with other aspects of the social / emotional context; when i’m in a good mood and feel accepted and liked almost anything feels fun, in the opposite situation almost nothing feels fun

Not hard but not trivial either In the last three years I did a lot of writing lists of stuff that feel or felt fun and trying to glimpse the underlying patterns I think I'm almost done as no great surprise has shown up lately It's been very useful

Oh, sure, there's a lot to unpack in the subject - especially about one's personal relationship with it and whether you're able to find a particular thing fun or not. It's figuring out why a given thing might be fun to someone that I don't think is generally hard.

OK, so how about you explain why any one specific thing is fun? You pick the thing.