realized i can gather data on this question myselfhttps://twitter.com/QiaochuYuan/status/1292378488515649536?s=20 …
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Replying to @QiaochuYuan
This poll doesn't test what I'm claiming though? You're missing the crucial step which is the actual proposed mechanism.
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Replying to @GeniesLoki @QiaochuYuan
My claim is that the mechanism is: 1. I talk about the thing. 2. Other people who are already mostly on side read it. 3. Those other people are now more likely to act usefully in situations where they have high leverage.
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Replying to @GeniesLoki @QiaochuYuan
I don't expect people who are being hypocrites to read these tweets and go "Yeah I'm being a hypocrite, I'll stop". I do think people who read these tweets and go "You're right, that *is* bullshit" to be slightly more inclined and better equipped to change the social environment.
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Replying to @GeniesLoki @QiaochuYuan
Also TBH even if they don't change the social environment I still think it helps to articulate why a behaviour bothers me, because I find that often other people are bothered by the same thing and haven't been able to articulate it yet.
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QC (16/30 Do Stuff November) Retweeted QC (16/30 Do Stuff November)
that's a mechanism i definitely believe in!https://twitter.com/QiaochuYuan/status/1140680972951666688?s=20 …
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QC (16/30 Do Stuff November) @QiaochuYuanthis is mostly the target i try to hit with my writing - articulate things people already know but don't know how to articulate, so i don't have to convince anyone of anything. distributed Gendlin focusing https://twitter.com/DRMacIver/status/1140667723711688706 …1 reply 0 retweets 3 likes -
Replying to @QiaochuYuan @GeniesLoki
what i don't believe in is the idea that pointing out hypocrisy causes people to improve their behavior. it's a super common assumption hiding behind a lot of moralistic internet posting and i think it basically doesn't work at all for improving the behavior of strangers
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Replying to @QiaochuYuan
Yes, I'd agree that this doesn't work for improving the behaviour of strangers. I've largely given up on the idea of improving the behaviour of people who I don't know and am not already broadly on side with though.
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GeniesLoki Retweeted GeniesLoki
Generally I assume that if a stranger doesn't already basically agree with me (or at least not disagree with me) on a subject this is the only useful mechanism I have access to because everything else is way too much work.https://twitter.com/GeniesLoki/status/1292379403620618240 …
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Replying to @GeniesLoki @QiaochuYuan
So seems like: - raising awareness of subtle forms of hypocrisy is useful cause it can lead to social change at the macro level as more learn to recognize it. Less useful at the micro level. - directly pointing out the hypocrisy of an individual is not very useful at any level
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I think directly pointing out the hypocrisy of an individual you know well can be good. I don't think dunking on strangers helps much.
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Replying to @GeniesLoki @QiaochuYuan
right makes sense, directly pointing it out works much better when there’s some trust in the relationship
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