"How we talk about poly people" thread reminds me that I often notice and occasionally point out that many people talk about furries in almost *exactly* the way that people they hate talk about queer people and somehow experience no cognitive dissonance about this.
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Replying to @GeniesLoki
it’s almost like people don’t actually have principles and just bully whoever their social context tells them is acceptable targets
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Replying to @QiaochuYuan
Yeah but calling them on their hypocrisy helps change the social context
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Replying to @QiaochuYuan
Kinda, yeah. If people get consistently called on their hypocrisy that's part of the social context, and putting together a good argument in public for why This Is Not OK removes plausible deniability and gives others who are already on side tools for promoting good behaviour.
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Replying to @GeniesLoki
i think this basically doesn't work anymore on the internet, if it ever did. it might work with people you have existing relationships with irl. do you have any evidence that this works?
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Replying to @QiaochuYuan @GeniesLoki
QC (16/30 Do Stuff November) Retweeted QC (16/30 Do Stuff November)
realized i can gather data on this question myselfhttps://twitter.com/QiaochuYuan/status/1292378488515649536?s=20 …
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Replying to @QiaochuYuan
This poll doesn't test what I'm claiming though? You're missing the crucial step which is the actual proposed mechanism.
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Replying to @GeniesLoki @QiaochuYuan
My claim is that the mechanism is: 1. I talk about the thing. 2. Other people who are already mostly on side read it. 3. Those other people are now more likely to act usefully in situations where they have high leverage.
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Replying to @GeniesLoki @QiaochuYuan
I don't expect people who are being hypocrites to read these tweets and go "Yeah I'm being a hypocrite, I'll stop". I do think people who read these tweets and go "You're right, that *is* bullshit" to be slightly more inclined and better equipped to change the social environment.
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Also TBH even if they don't change the social environment I still think it helps to articulate why a behaviour bothers me, because I find that often other people are bothered by the same thing and haven't been able to articulate it yet.
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Replying to @GeniesLoki
QC (16/30 Do Stuff November) Retweeted QC (16/30 Do Stuff November)
that's a mechanism i definitely believe in!https://twitter.com/QiaochuYuan/status/1140680972951666688?s=20 …
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QC (16/30 Do Stuff November) @QiaochuYuanthis is mostly the target i try to hit with my writing - articulate things people already know but don't know how to articulate, so i don't have to convince anyone of anything. distributed Gendlin focusing https://twitter.com/DRMacIver/status/1140667723711688706 …1 reply 0 retweets 3 likes -
Replying to @QiaochuYuan @GeniesLoki
what i don't believe in is the idea that pointing out hypocrisy causes people to improve their behavior. it's a super common assumption hiding behind a lot of moralistic internet posting and i think it basically doesn't work at all for improving the behavior of strangers
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