are there assholes? of course. But if anyone told you rats are *disproportionately* assholes versus other groups, that was a gotdam lie.
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Replying to @sonyasupposedly @Virtual1nstinct
TBH it's really obviously at least partly an external attack that the community was ill-prepared for, followed by a lot of people making individually rational (ha) choices to not want to be associated with the rationalist reputation.
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I was never a rationalist proper in the first place, but I did notice that I needed to add increasingly careful disclaimers about sharing rationalist stuff over time.
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(I do think there's an actual asshole problem in some rationalist spaces, especially SSC comment threads, but it's mostly rationalist-adjacents and even there it's closer to an asshole presence than an asshole problem per se)
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Replying to @GeniesLoki @Virtual1nstinct
the ostensible asshole problem is that neurotypicals can't deal with autist straight shooters
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While I agree with you, your framing here of "straight shooters just tell it like it is" misses the essential nuance of "sometimes straight shooters are factually incorrect, and their straight-shooting makes them sound like an asshole."
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Replying to @CountJ0ecool @sonyasupposedly and
Essentially, it comes across as claiming epistemic confidence of 100% on any topic. That's intellectual dishonesty, straight-up. "But it's a mathematical proof therefore it's 100% logical and-" and there's a 0.5% chance that you fucked up your own proof, get over yourself.
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Replying to @CountJ0ecool @sonyasupposedly and
straight-shooting doesn't mean you're 100% confident
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Replying to @TWakalix @CountJ0ecool and
It doesn't but it often means you omit the signals that people use to signal that they're not 100% confident.
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Replying to @GeniesLoki @CountJ0ecool and
yes, but the default with no signal *should* be "moderate confidence" and straight-shooters are simply living the change they wish to see
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To some extent, but talking to people in a language they don't understand and complaining about them not understanding it considerably weakens the claim that this behaviour is not being an asshole.
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Replying to @GeniesLoki @TWakalix and
(In the context of community norms I think coming into a community and complaining about everyone talking this way is also being an asshole though)
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Replying to @GeniesLoki @TWakalix and
Yeah it depends on the boundaries and the context. If people want to go full-rat on lesswrong, great that's exactly where you should do that. If someone comes into the comments there to say "can you talk normal" then an appropriate response is "I don't have the energy for this"
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