then you got duped
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are there assholes? of course. But if anyone told you rats are *disproportionately* assholes versus other groups, that was a gotdam lie.
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TBH it's really obviously at least partly an external attack that the community was ill-prepared for, followed by a lot of people making individually rational (ha) choices to not want to be associated with the rationalist reputation.
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I was never a rationalist proper in the first place, but I did notice that I needed to add increasingly careful disclaimers about sharing rationalist stuff over time.
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(I do think there's an actual asshole problem in some rationalist spaces, especially SSC comment threads, but it's mostly rationalist-adjacents and even there it's closer to an asshole presence than an asshole problem per se)
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AFAICT mostly people just really don't like nerds, but it became unpopular to say so overtly once nerd culture was coopted by the mainstream, so they had to hide their dislike by labelling nerds as problematic first and *then* make fun of them for being nerds.
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Were nerds always problematic, or is the term "problematic" just a synonym for "nerd-like?"
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I think "problematic" in this context is a term of art that means something more like "bigotry-adjacent" than "nerd-like". I think plenty of people get labelled problematic who are obviously not nerds.
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But do non-nerds care? "Problematic" is a nerd word to label other nerds with. A "problematic" jock is almost certainly just called a racist or other directly bad thing.
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I don't think it is? I mean it depends what your boundary for "nerd" is but "problematic" seems to be used by feminists more than nerds (those groups overlap heavily of course). Also it's not like nerds don't get called racists.
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I mean . . . feminists are definitely 100% nerds. That Venn diagram is a circle. I'm interested because I tend to believe the jock/nerd dichotomy is larger and more powerful than most others. "Problematic" is definitely a nerd-word in this frame. Jock approach is blunter.
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I don't really agree but also don't really care enough to argue about it
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