Deep learning is to biological neural systems as quantum theory is to consciousness. @KordingLab @tyrell_turing @tdverstynen @GaryMarcus @GaryMarcus @danilobzdok @kendmil
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Replying to @neuro_data @KordingLab and
There's a major difference: DL was guided in its infancy by ideas from neuroscience, so there is a relatively direct link between them. In contrast, the application of quantum mechanics to the c-word is taking two distinct fields and tying them together on speculative grounds.
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Replying to @tyrell_turing @neuro_data and
The relation between deep learning - with its single neuron type and largely homogenous architecture - and the actual complexity of the human brain, with > 1000 neuron types, hundreds of proteins at each synapse and > 100 distinct brain regions - is risible.
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Replying to @GaryMarcus @neuro_data and
Every model is an abstraction. Newtonian mechanics ignores air turbulence, molecular interactions, etc. Climate models capture coarse grained interactions, not the multitude of animals, plants, and wind-currents that truly shape the climate. Neural networks are no different.
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Replying to @tyrell_turing @neuro_data and
Let's be real. Current neural nets have been shown empirically to work on some problems (after tinkering to get details right) - but do we really *know* that they are an abstraction of the brain, in which their details map onto simplifications of actual brain processes? No.
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Replying to @GaryMarcus @neuro_data and
I'm sorry, but this is a bad take. Yes, we know they are simplifications of real brains. 1) Neurons do something very similar to linear integration with a non-linearity. 2) They process inputs in a distributed, parallel manner. ANNs capture this basic process, period.
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Replying to @tyrell_turing @GaryMarcus and
I am amazed at how many ppl resist this basic fact! Folks: you may believe ANNs miss critical biological details, cool, that's a legit position to take. But why pretend that ANNs are not an abstraction of neural processing? That is simply not a tenable position, frankly.
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Replying to @tyrell_turing @GaryMarcus and
Also, recent evidences show electric field communication between neurons which makes far more complex and perhaps outside of the assumptions made during the first ANN modeling.
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Replying to @cybermisg @GaryMarcus and
Yes, that's why I keep using the word *abstraction*.
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My objection to @tyrell_turing was not in his using the word abstraction, it was in his apparent absolute confidence in the validity of certain particular abstractions, relative to the fact that we don't yet have a solid theory of brain function.
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