Deep learning is to biological neural systems as quantum theory is to consciousness. @KordingLab @tyrell_turing @tdverstynen @GaryMarcus @GaryMarcus @danilobzdok @kendmil
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Replying to @neuro_data @KordingLab and
There's a major difference: DL was guided in its infancy by ideas from neuroscience, so there is a relatively direct link between them. In contrast, the application of quantum mechanics to the c-word is taking two distinct fields and tying them together on speculative grounds.
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Replying to @tyrell_turing @neuro_data and
The relation between deep learning - with its single neuron type and largely homogenous architecture - and the actual complexity of the human brain, with > 1000 neuron types, hundreds of proteins at each synapse and > 100 distinct brain regions - is risible.
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Replying to @GaryMarcus @neuro_data and
Every model is an abstraction. Newtonian mechanics ignores air turbulence, molecular interactions, etc. Climate models capture coarse grained interactions, not the multitude of animals, plants, and wind-currents that truly shape the climate. Neural networks are no different.
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Replying to @tyrell_turing @GaryMarcus and
Take Markov Decision Processes (MDPs) as a practically highly successful model: they have been used effectively to model bird migration behavior and stock market behavior. Does that mean that some biological aspect was identified to be common in the brains of birds and humans?
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Replying to @danilobzdok @GaryMarcus and
??? 1) Human and bird brains surely do have some common neural mechanisms. 2) MDPs are a very abstract model, which indeed, can be applied to many domains, thanks to their ability to capture basic dynamics. That does not imply much about biological equivalence...
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Replying to @tyrell_turing @danilobzdok and
I would say 1) human brains and bird brains are effectively identical within the space of possible brains 2) MDPs capturing behaviour is not evidence for biological or mechanistic similarity...it tells you about function, not mechanism.
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Replying to @MHendr1cks @tyrell_turing and
1 seems wacky (bird brains and human brains do very different things, though they do share some aspects); 2 is surely correct
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Replying to @GaryMarcus @tyrell_turing and
Bird and human brains barely have daylight between them even for brains that evolved on this planet. Vertebrates are narrow variations on one theme.
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my book The Birth of the Mind is a lengthy exploration of this issue. Short answer is that small changes relative to complex existing sets of genetically-implemented algorithms can have significant consequences.
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Replying to @GaryMarcus @tyrell_turing and
You don't think birds have minds?
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