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CEO/Founder of http://Robust.AI ; cognitive scientist, and best-selling author. New book: http://Rebooting.AI : Building Artificial Intelligence We Can Trust

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    1. KordingLab‏ @KordingLab Nov 29
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      Both ANNs and brains are (1) highly distributed and parallel (2) make small changes (3) efficient. Ideas like generalization hold for all systems with these three properties. In that sense, @tyrell_turing is obviously right. Maybe @GaryMarcus uses narrow def of abstraction.https://twitter.com/GaryMarcus/status/1200088188934451200 …

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      Gary Marcus @GaryMarcus
      astonished that anyone knowledgeable could claim that neural nets are (obviously) an “abstraction of neural processing” when we don’t yet know how brains work. if you don’t know how Y works you can’t really speak with certainty about whether X is an abstraction of Y. Period. https://twitter.com/tyrell_turing/status/1200072223299657728 …
      19 replies 11 retweets 93 likes
    2. ricardo chavarriaga‏ @r_chavarriaga Nov 29
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      Replying to @KordingLab @tyrell_turing @GaryMarcus

      My beef with the “ANN are abstractions of the Brain” trope is that it is so vague that it is almost meaningless. It purposefully avoid all the things our models don’t include 1/2

      2 replies 1 retweet 7 likes
    3. ricardo chavarriaga‏ @r_chavarriaga Nov 29
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      Replying to @r_chavarriaga @KordingLab and

      The fact that #ANNs are inspired by the #brain is regularly used it to promote the idea that (1)we do have good understanding of brain function or (2)that we’re close to #AGI. Both of them false. I’m afraid this trope (used to scare or to sell something) is not value-neutral 2/2

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    4. KordingLab‏ @KordingLab Nov 29
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      Replying to @r_chavarriaga @tyrell_turing @GaryMarcus

      By whom? Citations?

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    5. ricardo chavarriaga‏ @r_chavarriaga Nov 29
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      Replying to @KordingLab @tyrell_turing @GaryMarcus

      I'm talking about general coverage of #ANN, not only sci literature. One example is when reports of @DeepMindAI work on grid cells state that "AI (...) spontaneously developed electrical activity akin to that seen in the specialised brain cells" https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2018/may/09/googles-ai-program-deepmind-learns-human-navigation-skills … 1/

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    6. ricardo chavarriaga‏ @r_chavarriaga Nov 29
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      Replying to @r_chavarriaga @KordingLab and

      or when they say that "AI figures out human navigation" https://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/3032039/googles-deepmind-ai-figures-out-human-navigation … 2/

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    7. ricardo chavarriaga‏ @r_chavarriaga Nov 29
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      Replying to @r_chavarriaga @KordingLab and

      Obviously this is not necessarily @DeepMindAI fault, and sloppy journalism plays a big role. But these are examples how a valid analogy often backfires when is interpreted literally. Unfortunately, that's the way is often used when pitching companies and many VCs buy it 3/

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    8. ricardo chavarriaga‏ @r_chavarriaga Nov 29
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      Replying to @r_chavarriaga @KordingLab and

      I'm a big believer that #ANNs are a great tool to improve our knowledge of the brain, but often think the "ANN as abstraction of the brain" analogy does more harm than benefit /end

      2 replies 2 retweets 7 likes
    9. Blake Richards‏ @tyrell_turing Nov 29
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      Replying to @r_chavarriaga @KordingLab and

      You need to separate your concern about hype in the popular press from the use of ANNs in neuroscience. ANNs are a very useful model in neuroscience, and we shouldn't shy away from that because Deep Mind's PR ppl go a bit far sometimes.

      2 replies 0 retweets 7 likes
      Gary Marcus‏ @GaryMarcus Nov 29
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      Replying to @tyrell_turing @r_chavarriaga and

      what have ANNs done for neuroscience, aside from serving as classifiers?

      8:40 AM - 29 Nov 2019
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        2. Nuno Gonçalves‏ @nr_goncalves 21h21 hours ago
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          Replying to @GaryMarcus @tyrell_turing and

          ANNs helped us understand why binocular neurons have antagonistic RFs in each eye -- they are very informative wrt depth from binocular disparity. We even derived a closed form model out of the ANNs!https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0960982217304049 …

          2 replies 4 retweets 8 likes
        3. KordingLab‏ @KordingLab 20h20 hours ago
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          Replying to @nr_goncalves @GaryMarcus and

          And complex cells: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/12904330/ …

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        2. Blake Richards‏ @tyrell_turing Nov 29
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          Replying to @GaryMarcus @r_chavarriaga and

          You don't actually keep up with the neuroscience literature, do you? That has been evident in these conversations... Here, lemme give you a few examples:

          2 replies 2 retweets 34 likes
        3. Gary Marcus‏ @GaryMarcus Nov 29
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          Replying to @tyrell_turing @r_chavarriaga and

          Not going to respond to the below given the above. You can read my recent tweet on DiCarlo if you are interested in how I think about these things. Bye for now.

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