astonished that anyone knowledgeable could claim that neural nets are (obviously) an “abstraction of neural processing” when we don’t yet know how brains work. if you don’t know how Y works you can’t really speak with certainty about whether X is an abstraction of Y. Period.https://twitter.com/tyrell_turing/status/1200072223299657728 …
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Replying to @GaryMarcus
Does _any_ model used in science abstract a process that is completely understood?
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Replying to @perceptophore @GaryMarcus
Yes, one useful case is when it is computationally inefficient to use a more complete model than a simplified/abstract one. This is why abstraction is useful, must decide when to trade off completeness for speed.
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Replying to @_ericrosen @GaryMarcus
I understand that abstract point, noting that it was not actually accompanied by an example of a single natural process that it describes (which I could not then turn around and say all the ways that we don not understand that natural process, as gmarcus does)
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Replying to @perceptophore @GaryMarcus
If you consider computer science a real science, abstraction is used in this sense for hierarchical reinforcement learning (https://h2r.cs.brown.edu/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/gopalan16.pdf …). Also, many simulation use simplified physics models (lambertian reflectance https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lambertian_reflectance …)
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But I understand your point, if you mean to say that there is no natural process we truly understand. But I would argue that even IF we completely understood a process perfectly (if that’s even possible), it’s still useful to use abstract models bc of computationally efficiency.
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Replying to @_ericrosen @GaryMarcus
In a more usual sense, a stick figure is an abstraction of a person. Coming back to brains, the 1931 CIE color model can be viewed as a stick-figure of the way color is represented in LGN/V1, -- but it was derived by indirect psych methods before the physiology was knowable.
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sure, but current ML largely ignored basic lots of psychological and linguistic data, to its peril.
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