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CEO/Founder of http://Robust.AI ; cognitive scientist, and best-selling author. New book: http://Rebooting.AI : Building Artificial Intelligence We Can Trust

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    1. Gary Marcus‏ @GaryMarcus Nov 28
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      Gary Marcus Retweeted Blake Richards

      astonished that anyone knowledgeable could claim that neural nets are (obviously) an “abstraction of neural processing” when we don’t yet know how brains work. if you don’t know how Y works you can’t really speak with certainty about whether X is an abstraction of Y. Period.https://twitter.com/tyrell_turing/status/1200072223299657728 …

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      Blake Richards @tyrell_turing
      Replying to @tyrell_turing @GaryMarcus and 5 others
      I am amazed at how many ppl resist this basic fact! Folks: you may believe ANNs miss critical biological details, cool, that's a legit position to take. But why pretend that ANNs are not an abstraction of neural processing? That is simply not a tenable position, frankly.
      45 replies 58 retweets 324 likes
    2. Peter Meilstrup‏ @perceptophore Nov 28
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      Does _any_ model used in science abstract a process that is completely understood?

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    3. Eric Rosen‏ @_ericrosen Nov 28
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      Yes, one useful case is when it is computationally inefficient to use a more complete model than a simplified/abstract one. This is why abstraction is useful, must decide when to trade off completeness for speed.

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    4. Peter Meilstrup‏ @perceptophore Nov 28
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      I understand that abstract point, noting that it was not actually accompanied by an example of a single natural process that it describes (which I could not then turn around and say all the ways that we don not understand that natural process, as gmarcus does)

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    5. Eric Rosen‏ @_ericrosen Nov 28
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      If you consider computer science a real science, abstraction is used in this sense for hierarchical reinforcement learning (https://h2r.cs.brown.edu/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/gopalan16.pdf …). Also, many simulation use simplified physics models (lambertian reflectance https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lambertian_reflectance …)

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    6. Eric Rosen‏ @_ericrosen Nov 28
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      But I understand your point, if you mean to say that there is no natural process we truly understand. But I would argue that even IF we completely understood a process perfectly (if that’s even possible), it’s still useful to use abstract models bc of computationally efficiency.

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    7. Peter Meilstrup‏ @perceptophore Nov 29
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      In a more usual sense, a stick figure is an abstraction of a person. Coming back to brains, the 1931 CIE color model can be viewed as a stick-figure of the way color is represented in LGN/V1, -- but it was derived by indirect psych methods before the physiology was knowable.

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      Gary Marcus‏ @GaryMarcus Nov 29
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      Replying to @perceptophore @_ericrosen

      sure, but current ML largely ignored basic lots of psychological and linguistic data, to its peril.

      5:09 AM - 29 Nov 2019
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