astonished that anyone knowledgeable could claim that neural nets are (obviously) an “abstraction of neural processing” when we don’t yet know how brains work. if you don’t know how Y works you can’t really speak with certainty about whether X is an abstraction of Y. Period.https://twitter.com/tyrell_turing/status/1200072223299657728 …
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Replying to @GaryMarcus
Don't we know at least a little (if not everything) about how brains work? That there are many many neurons that communicate, etc. And is it not fair to say ANNs are a very simple abstraction from that current understanding of brains (there are many neurons, etc.)?
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Replying to @andrey_kurenkov
Maybe, but maybe not. We can't even model the worm, and have had wiring diagram since 1986. Maybe we are on right track, & maybe we aren't. Maybe it's ok to simplify everything dendrites do, and treat all cell types equally, and maybe we miss something fundamental by doing so.
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Replying to @GaryMarcus
But as far as I've seen in this convo the claim is not that ANNs are a super useful abstraction that will yield the same behavior as brains (what you seem to getting at in second part of tweet), just that they are AN abstraction from brains.
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Replying to @andrey_kurenkov
issue is whether they are a correct/useful abstraction from a proper understanding of something we don’t understand. i just don’t see how methodologically we could be CERTAIN about that in our current state of ignorance.
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Replying to @GaryMarcus
The tweet you replied to is: "... you may believe ANNs miss critical biological details, cool, that's a legit position to take. But why pretend that ANNs are not an abstraction of neural processing?... " So, no claim as to usefulness/correctness, just that it's an abstraction.
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i took it to be a claim that it is a bona fide abstraction. (& some tweets tried to argue that.) if you just want to claim it is an *attempt* at an abstraction, fine. but the road to neuroscience is littered with many failed attempts, hydraulics, telephone exchanges, etc.
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