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CEO/Founder of http://Robust.AI ; cognitive scientist, and best-selling author. New book: http://Rebooting.AI : Building Artificial Intelligence We Can Trust

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    1. Gary Marcus‏ @GaryMarcus Nov 28
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      Gary Marcus Retweeted Blake Richards

      astonished that anyone knowledgeable could claim that neural nets are (obviously) an “abstraction of neural processing” when we don’t yet know how brains work. if you don’t know how Y works you can’t really speak with certainty about whether X is an abstraction of Y. Period.https://twitter.com/tyrell_turing/status/1200072223299657728 …

      Gary Marcus added,

      Blake Richards @tyrell_turing
      Replying to @tyrell_turing @GaryMarcus and 5 others
      I am amazed at how many ppl resist this basic fact! Folks: you may believe ANNs miss critical biological details, cool, that's a legit position to take. But why pretend that ANNs are not an abstraction of neural processing? That is simply not a tenable position, frankly.
      45 replies 58 retweets 324 likes
    2. Andrey Kurenkov  🤖‏ @andrey_kurenkov Nov 28
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      Don't we know at least a little (if not everything) about how brains work? That there are many many neurons that communicate, etc. And is it not fair to say ANNs are a very simple abstraction from that current understanding of brains (there are many neurons, etc.)?

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    3. Gary Marcus‏ @GaryMarcus Nov 28
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      Maybe, but maybe not. We can't even model the worm, and have had wiring diagram since 1986. Maybe we are on right track, & maybe we aren't. Maybe it's ok to simplify everything dendrites do, and treat all cell types equally, and maybe we miss something fundamental by doing so.

      4 replies 5 retweets 21 likes
    4. Andrey Kurenkov  🤖‏ @andrey_kurenkov Nov 28
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      But as far as I've seen in this convo the claim is not that ANNs are a super useful abstraction that will yield the same behavior as brains (what you seem to getting at in second part of tweet), just that they are AN abstraction from brains.

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      Gary Marcus‏ @GaryMarcus Nov 28
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      issue is whether they are a correct/useful abstraction from a proper understanding of something we don’t understand. i just don’t see how methodologically we could be CERTAIN about that in our current state of ignorance.

      6:10 PM - 28 Nov 2019
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        2. Andrey Kurenkov  🤖‏ @andrey_kurenkov Nov 28
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          The tweet you replied to is: "... you may believe ANNs miss critical biological details, cool, that's a legit position to take. But why pretend that ANNs are not an abstraction of neural processing?... " So, no claim as to usefulness/correctness, just that it's an abstraction.

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        3. Gary Marcus‏ @GaryMarcus Nov 28
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          i took it to be a claim that it is a bona fide abstraction. (& some tweets tried to argue that.) if you just want to claim it is an *attempt* at an abstraction, fine. but the road to neuroscience is littered with many failed attempts, hydraulics, telephone exchanges, etc.

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