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CEO/Founder of http://Robust.AI ; cognitive scientist, and best-selling author. New book: http://Rebooting.AI : Building Artificial Intelligence We Can Trust

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    1. Gary Marcus‏ @GaryMarcus Nov 28
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      Gary Marcus Retweeted Tim Kietzmann

      Great! New thread then: What are the ways in which people in the neural net community think that today's ANN's are NOT perfect models of the brain? Where do you want to dig deeper, and why?https://twitter.com/timkietzmann/status/1200159447651438592 …

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      Tim Kietzmann @TimKietzmann
      Replying to @tyrell_turing @tarinziyaee and 2 others
      100% this! I know of nobody in the community who would say "today's ANNs are perfect models of the brain, let's not dig deeper".
      22 replies 7 retweets 37 likes
    2. Luke Oakden-Rayner‏ @DrLukeOR Nov 28
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      Replying to @GaryMarcus

      Not a neuroscientist, but my own opinion is that weighted gating, compositionality, and learning are the foundations of bio neural nets, and all other phenomena that we care about are built on these blocks. Traditional computers only do the first, but DL can do all three.

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    3. Luke Oakden-Rayner‏ @DrLukeOR Nov 28
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      I personally see no reason a priori why the specific mechanism of these three functions (kludged together by incremental evolutionary silliness) would matter to the emergent phenomena, so arguments like "neurons don't back-propagation" seem a bit spurious to me.

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    4. Luke Oakden-Rayner‏ @DrLukeOR Nov 28
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      Replying to @DrLukeOR @GaryMarcus

      I realise I'm outing myself as a connectionist here, but I personally feel that trying to model the more interesting feedback loops in the brain with existing building blocks will be more beneficial than trying out different paradigms.

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    5. Luke Oakden-Rayner‏ @DrLukeOR Nov 28
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      Replying to @DrLukeOR @GaryMarcus

      What I think other approaches (eg explicit symbol manipulation) offer is shortcuts. Humans know things, so it would be more efficient to embed things we know into a system (vs learning everything). But I don't think we need it, and it has always been more brittle than learning.

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    6. Gary Marcus‏ @GaryMarcus Nov 28
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      Replying to @DrLukeOR

      i am hearing a bunch of opinions here, but not really hearing arguments; not on a level with the analysis in your excellent blogs, sorry.

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    7. Luke Oakden-Rayner‏ @DrLukeOR Nov 28
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      As I said, not a neuroscientist. These are opinions. I've seen great neuroscience/AI overlap work from people like @neurograce so I will defer to them. But isn't the counter-position, that we need more than these three blocks, also opinion?

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      Gary Marcus‏ @GaryMarcus Nov 28
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      Replying to @DrLukeOR @neurograce

      well, the difference is that I wrote a whole carefully argued book (The Algebraic Mind, MIT Press 2001) advocating several others, which to my knowledge has never been refuted.

      3:16 PM - 28 Nov 2019
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