Deep learning is to biological neural systems as quantum theory is to consciousness. @KordingLab @tyrell_turing @tdverstynen @GaryMarcus @GaryMarcus @danilobzdok @kendmil
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Replying to @neuro_data @KordingLab and
There's a major difference: DL was guided in its infancy by ideas from neuroscience, so there is a relatively direct link between them. In contrast, the application of quantum mechanics to the c-word is taking two distinct fields and tying them together on speculative grounds.
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Replying to @tyrell_turing @neuro_data and
The relation between deep learning - with its single neuron type and largely homogenous architecture - and the actual complexity of the human brain, with > 1000 neuron types, hundreds of proteins at each synapse and > 100 distinct brain regions - is risible.
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Replying to @GaryMarcus @neuro_data and
Every model is an abstraction. Newtonian mechanics ignores air turbulence, molecular interactions, etc. Climate models capture coarse grained interactions, not the multitude of animals, plants, and wind-currents that truly shape the climate. Neural networks are no different.
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Replying to @tyrell_turing @neuro_data and
Let's be real. Current neural nets have been shown empirically to work on some problems (after tinkering to get details right) - but do we really *know* that they are an abstraction of the brain, in which their details map onto simplifications of actual brain processes? No.
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Replying to @GaryMarcus @neuro_data and
I'm sorry, but this is a bad take. Yes, we know they are simplifications of real brains. 1) Neurons do something very similar to linear integration with a non-linearity. 2) They process inputs in a distributed, parallel manner. ANNs capture this basic process, period.
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Replying to @tyrell_turing @GaryMarcus and
I am amazed at how many ppl resist this basic fact! Folks: you may believe ANNs miss critical biological details, cool, that's a legit position to take. But why pretend that ANNs are not an abstraction of neural processing? That is simply not a tenable position, frankly.
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Replying to @tyrell_turing @GaryMarcus and
IMO The parallel distributed processing books should be required reading.
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totally agree! but so should the skepticism of Marcus, Fodor, Pinker etc people who read only one side of the argument are likely to get mired in confirmation bias. and people who read nothing pre-Arxiv tend to reinvent a lot of the past & repeat many of the same errors
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