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CEO/Founder of http://Robust.AI ; cognitive scientist, and best-selling author. New book: http://Rebooting.AI : Building Artificial Intelligence We Can Trust

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    1. jovo‏ @neuro_data Nov 27
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      Deep learning is to biological neural systems as quantum theory is to consciousness. @KordingLab @tyrell_turing @tdverstynen @GaryMarcus @GaryMarcus @danilobzdok @kendmil

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    2. Blake Richards‏ @tyrell_turing Nov 27
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      There's a major difference: DL was guided in its infancy by ideas from neuroscience, so there is a relatively direct link between them. In contrast, the application of quantum mechanics to the c-word is taking two distinct fields and tying them together on speculative grounds.

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    3. Gary Marcus‏ @GaryMarcus Nov 27
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      Replying to @tyrell_turing @neuro_data and

      The relation between deep learning - with its single neuron type and largely homogenous architecture - and the actual complexity of the human brain, with > 1000 neuron types, hundreds of proteins at each synapse and > 100 distinct brain regions - is risible.

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    4. Blake Richards‏ @tyrell_turing Nov 27
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      Replying to @GaryMarcus @neuro_data and

      Every model is an abstraction. Newtonian mechanics ignores air turbulence, molecular interactions, etc. Climate models capture coarse grained interactions, not the multitude of animals, plants, and wind-currents that truly shape the climate. Neural networks are no different.

      6 replies 4 retweets 35 likes
    5. Blake Richards‏ @tyrell_turing Nov 27
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      Replying to @tyrell_turing @GaryMarcus and

      If you think it's the wrong level of abstraction, fine, that's an opinion one can hold. But, the claim that it has no relation just doesn't hold water. You can actually capture a lot of the variance in a single neuron's firing rate responses with a linear-non-linear model.

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    6. jovo‏ @neuro_data Nov 27
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      Replying to @tyrell_turing @GaryMarcus and

      well, that is also true for generalized additive models (for example), nothing deep, no backprop, no "neurons" to speak of. ..

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    7. Blake Richards‏ @tyrell_turing Nov 27
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      True, but that wasn't Gary's point. He was trying to claim that the models bear no relation to the brain because the brain is far more complex than ANNs. That is a vacuous point, IMO, and one that applies to all models in science.

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      Gary Marcus‏ @GaryMarcus Nov 27
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      Replying to @tyrell_turing @neuro_data and

      i didn’t so no relation, but it’s likely a pretty distant one, with at least some critical aspects not represented at all

      1:24 PM - 27 Nov 2019
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        2. Danilo Bzdok‏ @danilobzdok Nov 27
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          Replying to @GaryMarcus @tyrell_turing and

          A core point in these contemplations is this IMO: We have little ground truth knowledge about the (human) brain, which fundamentally limits how faithfully we can assess the DL-brain distance or relation at this point in history!

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        3. Blake Richards‏ @tyrell_turing Nov 27
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          Replying to @danilobzdok @GaryMarcus and

          Yes, well put!

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        1. Blake Richards‏ @tyrell_turing Nov 27
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          Replying to @GaryMarcus @neuro_data and

          I agree it's possible critical aspects are not represented. I think that's a Q to answer via research though, not sure we can pre-judge what the critical aspects are.

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