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CEO/Founder of http://Robust.AI ; cognitive scientist, and best-selling author. New book: http://Rebooting.AI : Building Artificial Intelligence We Can Trust

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    Gary Marcus‏ @GaryMarcus Nov 26
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    Gary Marcus Retweeted (((ل()(ل() 'yoav))))

    Exactly: ELiza and GPT-2 are cut from the same cloth; they leverage human gullibility in part by combining phrases that were prewritten by human beings, and parroting user input, but lack any genuine conceptual understanding of things like human relationships that they discuss.https://twitter.com/yoavgo/status/1199393534786310146 …

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    (((ل()(ل() 'yoav)))) @yoavgo
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    in 1974, Israeli poet David Avidan published a (Hebrew) book titled "My Electronic Psychiatrist: Eight Authentic Talks with a Computer", based on his conversations with Eliza. Same shtik...
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      2. Scott Le Grand‏ @scottlegrand Nov 26
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        IMO GPT-2 is immensely superior to Eliza in that it does embed some idea of context, it probably transcends Parry's scripted model of schizophrenia, but I think it teaches the same lesson as Eliza: A Clever Hans understanding of linguistic structure will fool way too many people.

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      3. Gary Marcus‏ @GaryMarcus Nov 26
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        maybe on the first; definitely agree on Clever Hans part

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      2. Max Little‏ @MaxALittle Nov 26
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        I think, in essence, GPT-2 is a more sophisticated mechanical Turk: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Turk 

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      3. Alexander Whillas‏ @awhillas Nov 26
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        yeah, there is no "intelligence" in any of the language models thus far and as a result they don't really show intelligent behavior. I guess i would define intelligence in language models as converting natural language to a world model and then back again (which would be useful)

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      2. Arseny Khakhalin‏ @ampanmdagaba Nov 26
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        And more than that! (as you pointed before): there's selection (and possibly, editing) of outputs by humans. It's like making photographs of smoke or fire (see two of mine as an example :) Is it the smoke who is the artist? Of course not.pic.twitter.com/MptEQU03of

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      3. Dan O'Hara‏ @skeuomorphology Nov 26
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        That's exactly what inventors of photography claimed. Henry Fox Talbot took photos of his house and said it had *drawn its own picture*. The AI industry is aping ancient sales techniques atm.

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      1. Dubonet Bartowski‏ @__olamilekan__ Nov 26
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        True. The difference here though is that when Weinzenbaum saw the amount of misinformation around what ELIZA was and wasn't, he actively spoke against it. OpenAI seems to be doing the opposite.

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      2. Patrick Ryan AKA Make Neanderthals Great Again‏ @emblem21CEO Nov 26
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        1.) Play chess against a human online 2.) Fire up chess game on my end and set the AI to hardcore 3.) Repeat every move my human opponent makes to the chess AI 4.) Repeat every move the chess AI makes to the human opponent

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      3. Patrick Ryan AKA Make Neanderthals Great Again‏ @emblem21CEO Nov 26
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        This successfully demonstrates that not a single entity in this scenario understands chess. It shows everyone is able to mimic the behaviors that allow us to signal we understand chess. Signalling is enough for most people. Deep understanding is rarely required.

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      1. Simon Brocklehurst‏ @SMBrocklehurst Nov 26
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        You're right. It's unclear to me why anyone averagely skilled in machine learning would think otherwise. For me, the big question is - why is this is an even slightly controversial view? Are people being disingenuous? Or is this stuff harder to understand than I think it is?

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