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If you go to Phoenix you can sign up to use self driving taxis (no driver). Level 4 given the right conditions. Despite various complaints about their driving style, it is hard to not call that "fully self driving" isn't it?
fully-self driving means to me the vehicle can safely go wherever you want, whenever you want, without a human safety driver or teleoperator. not limited routes, limited weather, with special HD maps only available in specific regions, etc.
I'm not fully self driving myself then... There should be an achievable moment where we say cars are self driving, not an endless "well, does it work in Antarctica?" I think "sunny well-planned sleepy cities" is fine myself. That covers a full digit percentage of the population
Now, if you told me that @Waymo is lying and they can't even drive on public roads in Phoenix, then fine, I haven't seen them drive myself.
But if they can drive there, a place where humans drive in their daily life, then that sounds like an autonomous driving milestone.
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