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CEO/Founder of http://Robust.AI ; cognitive scientist, and best-selling author. New book: http://Rebooting.AI : Building Artificial Intelligence We Can Trust

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    1. Gary Marcus‏ @GaryMarcus Oct 22
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      Gary Marcus Retweeted Alex Rose

      Many people have tried to defend pure DRL w Nature Machine Intelligence article that actually is a hybrid model; the below youtube pointer IS to a pure convnet - but read fine print: “network works decently well for any position less than 6 moves away from solved” #symbolphobiahttps://twitter.com/AlexRoseGames/status/1186571935611850752 …

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      Alex Rose @AlexRoseGames
      Replying to @ArcusCoTangens @GaryMarcus and 2 others
      for a start, camera detection of a rubik's cube is trivial and has been possible for well over a decade in grandiose fashion https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkft2qaKv_o&t=34s … solving a cube using covnet learning is also trivial: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLUca-x2ZVo … nothing you are complaining about is hard
      3 replies 0 retweets 14 likes
    2. Thomas G. Dietterich‏ @tdietterich Oct 22
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      Replying to @GaryMarcus

      To solve Rubik's cube in generality, you need to approach it as a reinforcement learning problem. You must explore the search space somehow, e.g., MCTS, Thompson sampling, etc. Is all search in discrete spaces "symbolic"? Not in an interesting way

      5 replies 0 retweets 7 likes
    3. Chomba Bupe‏ @ChombaBupe Oct 22
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      Replying to @tdietterich @GaryMarcus

      But all forms of search are innate. You need some innate rules in order to search any state space discrete or otherwise.

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    4. Thomas G. Dietterich‏ @tdietterich Oct 22
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      Replying to @ChombaBupe @GaryMarcus

      I think you are overstating this. Some form of basic search is probably innate, but we can learn to search better via experience. A*, AO*, MCTS, Thompson sampling are all very sophisticated search methods; I doubt they are innate.

      2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
    5. Chomba Bupe‏ @ChombaBupe Oct 22
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      Replying to @tdietterich @GaryMarcus

      Yes I overstated that one. But the known search methods are algorithms with specified rules designed by a human. Right?

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    6. Chomba Bupe‏ @ChombaBupe Oct 22
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      Replying to @ChombaBupe @tdietterich @GaryMarcus

      And most search algorithms, if not all, use comparisons to search a state space. I bet comparisons operate on symbols. So to do search there must be some form of symbolic representation. Right?

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      Gary Marcus‏ @GaryMarcus Oct 22
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      Replying to @ChombaBupe @tdietterich

      one could argue that deep learning does a kind of search; standard search systems certainly are sets of symbolic operations over variables

      7:59 PM - 22 Oct 2019
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        2. Thomas G. Dietterich‏ @tdietterich Oct 22
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          Replying to @GaryMarcus @ChombaBupe

          Yes, but the search space is over the parameters of the network. I don't know anyone who has managed to embed state space search (a la Rubik's cube) into gradient search in weight space. Maybe someone has tried to create differentiable approximations of such spaces?

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        3. Joey Velez-Ginorio‏ @joeyginorio Oct 22
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          A few people have tried to learn programs from data in this way. They embed the search problem over programs as gradient search in weight space. If you haven't seen it, you might find this paper interesting. I found it a useful review: https://arxiv.org/abs/1611.01988 

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