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CEO/Founder of http://Robust.AI ; cognitive scientist, and best-selling author. New book: http://Rebooting.AI : Building Artificial Intelligence We Can Trust

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    1. Jelle Zuidema‏ @wzuidema Aug 23
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      Deep learning more and more looks like a scientific revolution in the sense of Thomas Kuhn. As exciting as seeing engineering successes, is to experience first hand how a research field goes through a “paradigm shift”.

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    2. Jelle Zuidema‏ @wzuidema Aug 23
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      E.g., for a long time, the dominant view in AI/cogsci/linguistics was that ‘classical’ neural networks cannot learn to represent rules, variables, hierarchical structure, compositionality. Which was a reason to avoid these models. Here’s Jackendoff (2002) summarizing @GaryMarcuspic.twitter.com/KLCtfdmjqZ

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    3. Gary Marcus‏ @GaryMarcus Aug 24
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      i stand by these claims. Importantly though the term classical is not mine, and interested readers should read the original source, The Algebraic Mind.

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    4. Jelle Zuidema‏ @wzuidema Aug 25
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      I'm happy that you do; for one thing, your work helps to make the point that it is not obvious that neutral networks can learn such things, and this helps explain the relevance of some of our results. But I disagree that NNs are fundamentally unable to learn rules, variables, 1/n

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    5. Jelle Zuidema‏ @wzuidema Aug 25
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      tree structure, or compositionality, at least under reasonable definitions. Not reasonable: picking your favorite symbolic system, checking whether a NN learns exactly that, and interpreting failure as evidence that the whole class cannot be learned.

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    6. Beau Sievers‏ @beausievers Aug 25
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      I feel like this raises as many concerns as it addresses... shouldn’t a properly compositional system be able to do quite a large range of tasks? So for any given task, why would an apparently compositional net fail?

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    7. Jelle Zuidema‏ @wzuidema Aug 26
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      We looked at a simple arithmetic task with addition, substraction and brackets. Simple, but an infinite domain and clearly compositional. Networks approximate answers within training range almost perfectly, generalize quite well, with errors increasing with length of expressions.

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    8. Gary Marcus‏ @GaryMarcus Aug 26
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      Isn’t that pretty much as I anticipated? Cc @rgalhama

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    9. Raquel G. Alhama‏ @rgalhama Aug 26
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      I read the prediction of the '99 ABA/ABB paper (and Algebraic Mind) as anticipating the failure of non-symbolic-NNs in generalizing outside of the training space (i.e. not being able to account for rules/hierarchy/composition)

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      Gary Marcus‏ @GaryMarcus Aug 26
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      And was that prediction correct? For the summary above, it seems like it.

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        2. Raquel G. Alhama‏ @rgalhama Aug 26
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          It looks to me like our disagreement lies on the difference between "hard" and "impossible".

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        3. Raquel G. Alhama‏ @rgalhama Aug 26
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          I am not directly involved in some of the work above so I can't address the details, but the results generally resonate with the lessons I learned when modelling the '99 ABA/ABB task with non-symbolic neural nets: [n/m]

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