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CEO/Founder of http://Robust.AI ; cognitive scientist, and best-selling author. New book: http://Rebooting.AI : Building Artificial Intelligence We Can Trust

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    1. Steven Hansen‏ @Zergylord Aug 14
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      "What works for Go may not work for the challenging problems that DeepMind aspires to solve with AI, like cancer and clean energy. IBM learned this the hard way" Picks the only large scale symbolic AI project to illustrate the potential shortcomings of DRL... https://twitter.com/GaryMarcus/status/1161690752524550144 …pic.twitter.com/3lbLcRQ0kz

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    2. Gary Marcus‏ @GaryMarcus Aug 14
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      don’t understand, sorry. largest symbolic project you refer to is?

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    3. Steven Hansen‏ @Zergylord Aug 14
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      Watson. The only commonality between Watson and AlphaGo is the AI moniker, so it feels like an odd comparison

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    4. deen-chan‏ @sir_deenicus Aug 14
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      This is incorrect in several ways though. First, Watson seems to have been an everything and the kitchen sink approach. They used logistic regression, rule based, lexical databases, information retrieval, grammar based parsers, SVM based relation extractors etc.

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    5. deen-chan‏ @sir_deenicus Aug 14
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      Part of the etc. is their heavy use of simulations to fit parameters for their strategy modules. I'll have to recheck but I recall the use of bayesian methods, reinforcement learning, Neural networks and monte carlo search in the game strategies paper: https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/6177733 …

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    6. Steven Hansen‏ @Zergylord Aug 15
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      I'm sure they did lots of things to make it work. It's still the most symbolic and least DRL system coming out of any modern research lab. It's quite a bit closer to the Gary's cognitive hybrid systems approach than anything out of DeepMind.

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    7. Gary Marcus‏ @GaryMarcus Aug 15
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      hype aside, alphago is a hybrid, with a monte carlo tree sim backbone that traversed trees out of symbol CS 101, alongside the DRL.

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    8. Steven Hansen‏ @Zergylord Aug 15
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      That's an odd argument to make since you also claim DeepMind relies too much on DRL.

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    9. Gary Marcus‏ @GaryMarcus Aug 15
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      Both can be & are true. Really telling to me is that DRL on its own worked for Atari games but not Go— and that DM’s spin on Go really downplayed the hybrid aspect that was essential to its success. (It was also apparently necessary to build in the rules for Go, unlike Atari.)

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    10. Carlos E. Perez  🧢‏ @IntuitMachine Aug 15
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      You can't play a game if you don't know the rules! Of course the rules of Go is an input to this program. Are you saying that AlphaZero also needs to formulate the rules of Go?

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      Gary Marcus‏ @GaryMarcus Aug 15
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      What i am really saying is that it is very instructive to compare the two systems, DQN vs Alpha*.

      6:26 AM - 15 Aug 2019
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        2. Carlos E. Perez  🧢‏ @IntuitMachine Aug 15
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          DeepMind's Atari game play also used DRL. Alpha* is of course more sophisticated in that it included MCTS with DRL. The fact that it used a symbolic representation of the Go board and its rules doesn't invalidate its approach to general intelligence.

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        3. Gary Marcus‏ @GaryMarcus Aug 15
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          Didn’t say it was invalid, said the comparison was instructive. You can lead a horse to water...

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