Referring to deep learning as just being good for "perception" really strains credulity. Chess has historically been a prototypical exercise in reasoning, but since variables weren't involved in it's mastery, I guess it's perception now?https://twitter.com/GaryMarcus/status/1068897657530138629 …
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Replying to @Zergylord
also you are ignoring all the work the monte carlo tree search and related infrastructure contributed, apparently attributing the entirely solution to deep learning, which would be inaccurate
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Replying to @GaryMarcus
Not at all, I'm quite the fan of MCTS, but it isn't a variable. The convolutions were a key bit of prior knowledge, but also weren't variables. You claimed that symbolic manipulation would be required to move past perception, but I fail to see any symbolic representations here.
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Replying to @GaryMarcus
MCTS is a search procedure, whereas you seem to be mistaking it for tree-structured representations. That they both have "tree" in the name seems besides the point.
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Replying to @Zergylord
the procedure operates over variables, with lots of variable binding taking place. that’s what matters. (and as it happens at least in the original Nature paper parts of the tree itself were encoded, if i recall correctly.)
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Replying to @GaryMarcus
That is a very liberal definition of variable binding. That would encompass all planning procedures (e.g. s_{t+n} is bound to the state predicted in n steps). If wading into model-based RL is all you wanted, then every DRL researcher is already on board. Mission accomplished?
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Replying to @GaryMarcus
DQN is model-free, but much of the work in the field (often by the same people) has involved model-based methods. (Tangent: you could even make a case for DQN's replay buffer being a model http://proceedings.mlr.press/v37/vanseijen15.html …)
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certainly agreed. whether you can build an adequate model w/out variables is perhaps an open question analogous to what i just wrote about mcts
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Replying to @GaryMarcus @Zergylord
How is that statement of variables any different from 'addressable state'? I'm very confused as to your stated position.
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