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CEO/Founder of http://Robust.AI ; cognitive scientist, and best-selling author. New book: http://Rebooting.AI : Building Artificial Intelligence We Can Trust

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    1. Steven Hansen‏ @Zergylord 2 Dec 2018
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      Referring to deep learning as just being good for "perception" really strains credulity. Chess has historically been a prototypical exercise in reasoning, but since variables weren't involved in it's mastery, I guess it's perception now?https://twitter.com/GaryMarcus/status/1068897657530138629 …

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      Gary Marcus @GaryMarcus
      “The deepest problem with deep learning” & why it’s not good to confuse a snowplow & a school bus. Some reflections too long for Twitter on recent debate with @ylecun and others, w. additional discussion of ⁦@anh_ng8⁩ lab’s important recent results. https://link.medium.com/dHSKKYBsiS 
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    2. Gary Marcus‏ @GaryMarcus 2 Dec 2018
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      also you are ignoring all the work the monte carlo tree search and related infrastructure contributed, apparently attributing the entirely solution to deep learning, which would be inaccurate

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    3. Steven Hansen‏ @Zergylord 2 Dec 2018
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      Not at all, I'm quite the fan of MCTS, but it isn't a variable. The convolutions were a key bit of prior knowledge, but also weren't variables. You claimed that symbolic manipulation would be required to move past perception, but I fail to see any symbolic representations here.

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    4. Gary Marcus‏ @GaryMarcus 2 Dec 2018
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      mcts is a tree-governed system

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    5. Steven Hansen‏ @Zergylord 2 Dec 2018
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      MCTS is a search procedure, whereas you seem to be mistaking it for tree-structured representations. That they both have "tree" in the name seems besides the point.

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    6. Gary Marcus‏ @GaryMarcus 2 Dec 2018
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      Replying to @Zergylord

      the procedure operates over variables, with lots of variable binding taking place. that’s what matters. (and as it happens at least in the original Nature paper parts of the tree itself were encoded, if i recall correctly.)

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    7. Steven Hansen‏ @Zergylord 2 Dec 2018
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      That is a very liberal definition of variable binding. That would encompass all planning procedures (e.g. s_{t+n} is bound to the state predicted in n steps). If wading into model-based RL is all you wanted, then every DRL researcher is already on board. Mission accomplished?

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      Gary Marcus‏ @GaryMarcus 2 Dec 2018
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      Replying to @Zergylord

      i don’t see DQN itself that way.

      6:58 PM - 2 Dec 2018
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        2. Steven Hansen‏ @Zergylord 2 Dec 2018
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          DQN is model-free, but much of the work in the field (often by the same people) has involved model-based methods. (Tangent: you could even make a case for DQN's replay buffer being a model http://proceedings.mlr.press/v37/vanseijen15.html …)

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        3. Gary Marcus‏ @GaryMarcus 2 Dec 2018
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          Replying to @Zergylord

          certainly agreed. whether you can build an adequate model w/out variables is perhaps an open question analogous to what i just wrote about mcts

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        2. Demirlenk‏ @demirlenk92 2 Dec 2018
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          You are in a node (variable) and there is a number of alternatives for the next move. You switch to a new node (variable changed) by selecting an action. Thus you manipulated a variable. Does deep learning make you that blind?

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        3. Steven Hansen‏ @Zergylord 2 Dec 2018
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          Look, nodes! I guess Q-learning was symbolic manipulation all along. Seriously though, if the variable binding process is as simple as s_1 <- state-after-s_0, then its not terribly useful to use the same terminology as, say, evaluating a context-free grammar.pic.twitter.com/fReehI3DiK

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