The real question for AI is this: can we do reasoning and causality without symbol-manipulation? Deep learning founders like @YLeCun (see our debate) and Hinton (eg https://sites.google.com/site/krr2015/home/schedule …) have said no; I have argued yes.https://twitter.com/GaryMarcus/status/1065280340669816832 …
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I would not make any such claim. I also don't think that the ML folks deny that we learn how to reason symbolically. The strongest claims I hear are more along the lines that symbolic reasoning happens when the functions we approximate become low dimensional and discrete.
This simply rewrites history. See for example last sentence of Lecun, Hinton, Bengio in Nature 2015, or Rumelhart and McClelland’s declaration that symbol-manipulation is not essence of human cognition. Or Hinton’s “aeitherial symbols” talk.
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I don't see this as a contradiction. The essence of human cognition may better be described by the mechanisms that enable perception. I think it may be more plausible to extend perception into symbol manipulation than the other way around.
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? You said that the ML folks dont deny that we (learn) how to reason symbolically. They do (or did; Yann seemed to backtrack some today).
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