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CEO/Founder of http://Robust.AI ; cognitive scientist, and best-selling author. New book: http://Rebooting.AI : Building Artificial Intelligence We Can Trust

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    1. Jeff Gould‏ @jeffmgould 27 Aug 2018
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      Jeff Gould Retweeted Gary Marcus

      The paper demonstrates that in certain artificial scenarios neural nets can be rather easily tricked. This has in fact long been known. But intellectual opponents of deep learning (like Gary Marcus) are seizing on it to suggest that the problems can't be fixed. That's premature.https://twitter.com/GaryMarcus/status/1034075062674935808 …

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      Gary Marcus @GaryMarcus
      Driverless cars just got a whole lot harder. This technical paper by @amirrosenfeld raises some profound questions about the robustness of #DeepLearning as a perceptual mechanism. https://arxiv.org/abs/1808.03305 
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    2. Gary Marcus‏ @GaryMarcus 27 Aug 2018
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      you really want to bet your life that this arises only in artificial scenarios? Good luck when a driverless car runs you over at a parade. (Ps“Harder” ≠ can’t be fixed; please try not to misrepresent my views next time.)

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    4. Burak Babacan‏ @DiveraAI 27 Aug 2018
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      Truth: the self driving car cannot reason about how the world works, deep learning in its current form is not rhe remedy for this problem

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    5. Jeff Gould‏ @jeffmgould 28 Aug 2018
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      Brains are vastly complex hierarchical modular structures that encode lots of innate knowledge. DL nets are much cruder beasts and won't get to AGI alone. But augmented with other stuff they might one day drive cars (unless you think that task requires true AGI?). @GaryMarcus

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    7. Jeff Gould‏ @jeffmgould 28 Aug 2018
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      Last month I drove on narrow Cornwall roads with dense hedgerows and lots of oncoming traffic incl. trucks. My human brain was scared, I suspect DL might do better. But agree my brain would likely do better than DL in chaotic Manchester. But it's a spectrum and nets will improve.

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    9. Jeff Gould‏ @jeffmgould 28 Aug 2018
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      Need to define "safe". Maybe "kills fewer people than human drivers" e.g. deaths/yr/100K cars? DL likely already better than Somalia (4480), maybe as good as Brazil (58) by 2025? But when will it match US (13)? My bet: by 2030. Norway (3)? Maybe 2050. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_traffic-related_death_rate …

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      Gary Marcus‏ @GaryMarcus 28 Aug 2018
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      Where on earth are you getting that current cars are safer than any human population? Intervention rates are not consistent with that, as far as I can tell.

      8:29 AM - 28 Aug 2018
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        2. Jeff Gould‏ @jeffmgould 29 Aug 2018
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          Not sure why you think I said that. I said we should define "safe" for DL cars as "causing fewer deaths than human drivers". Obviously we're not ready to test that today. But country stats provide a benchmark. My guess is DL cars will only be accepted when safer than US drivers.

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        3. Gary Marcus‏ @GaryMarcus 29 Aug 2018
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          i think you said it because ... you said it above. “[deep learning] likely already better”

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        1. Jeff Gould‏ @jeffmgould 29 Aug 2018
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          Deaths/year/100K cars (Wikipedia stats): Somalia: 4480 Brazil: 58 US: 13 Norway: 3 I'm guessing with no proof that DL is already better than Somalia. But DL cars will never be accepted at Brazil let alone Somalia levels. Maybe they will if they get between US and Norway levels.

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        2. Jeff Gould‏ @jeffmgould 29 Aug 2018
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          Another way to frame this debate is to ask "Does driving a car in the full spectrum of conditions that human drivers face require AGI?" We now know that playing chess or go at human expert levels does NOT require AGI. For cars maybe we'll find out fairly soon.

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        3. Burak Babacan‏ @DiveraAI 29 Aug 2018
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          Would you consider this question too? Is reasoning needed to predict pedestrian & driver behavior? Or pattern recognition is enough?

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